Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[Teryaani]

Until as a culture we shame these players more, make it clear that subpar play is not acceptable, nothing will ever change.

Two problems:
1) the chance it will drive away subs mean that there is no way it'll fly with Square.
2) It won't work even for the players who don't leave. My inlaws played WoW with us and no amount of tutoring from us or people in instances reading them the riot act changed their behavior. There are some players who simply don't care and nothing will fix that. If politely giving advice doesn't work, walk away. All shaming will do is earn you a possible GM action.

I'm talking about the ice mages,

Yeah, hate those too. "I never run out of mana!" Yeah, but the boss never dies either.

garuda-less summoners,

HEY! I use Ifrit most of the time.

[Eli85]

Two problems:
1) the chance it will drive away subs mean that there is no way it'll fly with Square.
2) It won't work even for the players who don't leave. My inlaws played WoW with us and no amount of tutoring from us or people in instances reading them the riot act changed their behavior. There are some players who simply don't care and nothing will fix that. If politely giving advice doesn't work, walk away. All shaming will do is earn you a possible GM action.

The sub issue is most definitely tied to this problem. A developer doesn't want to lose players, but they don't want to frustrate their players either. It's why Blizzard did the tourist mode LFR. It didn't fix the bad player problem completely, but it kept some of the bads out of higher tier content.

Shaming probably wasn't the right word, too, particularly in light of MMO communities. 'Frowned upon' would be the better phrase. In other words, create a culture where failing horribly is something truly embarrassing.

Your anecdote is all too common. I've seen it a lot as well, and I can never understand it. Lacking the drive to be better, no matter what it is, is something I'll never get.

[Teryaani]

Your anecdote is all too common. I've seen it a lot as well, and I can never understand it. Lacking the drive to be better, no matter what it is, is something I'll never get.

Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I admit that I'm not as diligent as I should be with CDs like raging strikes (normally only in the first part of the fight unless I'm really on the ball) and the like, but I try to keep enochian up long enough for it to cooldown. I accept that there is an upper limit to how fast/aware I am but I try and I agree that it's weird to not want to get better.

Isn't failing horribly already truly embarrassing?

For some of us, yeah it is. Trust me when I say that when that git kicked the healer, she (said healer) spent the next 10 minutes asking "was it me?". Only after we queued again and with a less geared tank we cleared the content without issue did she calm down.

because the BLM was using ley lines never

I'm so guilty of this. I pop it at the start of every boss fight and then I get a twinge of guilt when I see another BLM in the run use it again.

Stuff on the ground, stuff on the ground everywhere!

"SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED!"