This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[MeiUshu]

In no way do you have to be ultra elite mega pro to pass BEX dps checks in full Law, which most should easily have by now. You only should need to be mediocre at best. The point is, so many can't even do this, and most of them have no way of even knowing if they are.

You shouldnt have to but peopel want you to because they have such a high opinion of their own abilities and consider themselves so mighty up that anything else that is not like them is by definition bad, ergo why parsers shouldnt be allowed, they are Tools for level-headed people that know what it is meant for and uses that type of material wisely, MOST of the FFXIV community is made of immature, egocentrique, selfish people that only see themselves when ina group and forget that being part of a group means something that you all forget, the weaker link, not necesseraly the badest, needs the rest to get through, if someone is low, the rest that is sooo good rom what they say, should compensate and be done and over with, no buts, no ifs.

Someone said that if a group is failing because one person then group should get rid of that one person, well news to you, in a group the fault of a failure is NOT on the shoulder of one person, only, is a group work and as such is the failure of all, be it by a small contribution to that failure or a big contribution, might want to think of this before going to try and demand something just to be able to point fingers (not aiming at you as you Whiteroom)

Mei

[Malevicton]

Someone said that if a group is failing because one person then group should get rid of that one person, well news to you, in a group the fault of a failure is NOT on the shoulder of one person, only, is a group work and as such is the failure of all, be it by a small contribution to that failure or a big contribution, might want to think of this before going to try and demand something just to be able to point fingers (not aiming at you as you Whiteroom)

Mei

So if you have 3 dps at 750+ and one at 200, it's everyone's fault?

[Happosai]

Someone said that if a group is failing because one person then group should get rid of that one person, well news to you, in a group the fault of a failure is NOT on the shoulder of one person, only, is a group work and as such is the failure of all

I dont think you were referring to my suggestion. I agree for the most part that its a team effort. "Omg healer A missed the DK! You made us fail" everyone gets the same dk is ready message therefore anyone could have backed up. The group failed. But as others are pointing out if you wipe to the carapace several times in a row due to one of the dps' severely underperforming and not improving with constructive criticism than by all means replace. If you've set clear expectations in pf that are clearly not being met I feel replacing is fair. I think there are better alternatives to that style of play but I still think its fair.

[Whiteroom]

Someone said that if a group is failing because one person then group should get rid of that one person, well news to you, in a group the fault of a failure is NOT on the shoulder of one person, only, is a group work and as such is the failure of all...
Mei

While I think this is a nice sentiment, and true as far as groups with synergy issues goes, it does not apply universally or here. The group content has been compared to group jump rope before, which is apt. If one person is not doing their job, it can cause the group to fail. True, a group of exceptional players can carry one or two through, but simply capable players cannot. Now the problem we have is that not only can we not tell the person who isn't jumping, that they aren't, in most cases, they don't even know if they are jumping or not.

But more to the one person bringing down the group, if say for example (a simple one excluding tanks damage for simplicitys sake), an encounter requires that a total dps of 2400 be met to clear the check, and three of the dps do 650 dps while the fourth does only 200, then the failure is 100% on that last person. The others are carrying more than their portion and it still can't be cleared. You also can't teach a person in a random run a the full ins and outs of their role. So yes, that person will need to be replaced until they learn their role better. There is such a thing as taking ownership of your failures, rather than just putting them on the group.


Edit: Sorry for going on...

But right now, the content cannot be extremely over geared, so overcompensating for an extremely under performing player is asking far to much for people who are managing to come just above the threshold needed. Do you not agree that it is worse to ask more of these who are already doing more than their part, than to ask the person who is doing 1/2 or 1/3 of their portion to step it up? No? The others must improve rather than the one not even doing the damage people were capable of at half the ilvl that person has on...

[Assirra]

Someone said that if a group is failing because one person then group should get rid of that one person, well news to you, in a group the fault of a failure is NOT on the shoulder of one person, only, is a group work and as such is the failure of all, be it by a small contribution to that failure or a big contribution, might want to think of this before going to try and demand something just to be able to point fingers (not aiming at you as you Whiteroom)

Mei

What kind of horror logic is that?
If Player A does 1000dps and Player B does 400 and the result is a wipe because not enough DPS it is the groups fault and not Player B who drags everyone down?
What you are saying it is fine if Player B gets carried but if the group saids anything it is bad.
That is such horrible logic and this needs to stop.

[Dement]

What kind of horror logic is that?
If Player A does 1000dps and Player B does 400 and the result is a wipe because not enough DPS it is the groups fault and not Player B who drags everyone down?
What you are saying it is fine if Player B gets carried but if the group saids anything it is bad.
That is such horrible logic and this needs to stop.

Clearly Player A needs to get good and up their DPS to the impossible standard of 1600 so that the whole group isn't filled with Bads-by-Association.

[Radacci]

when ina group and forget that being part of a group means something that you all forget, the weaker link, not necesseraly the badest, needs the rest to get through, if someone is low, the rest that is sooo good rom what they say, should compensate and be done and over with, no buts, no ifs.

so basically the weakest ppl should get carried, and never learn anything? nice idea...
instead they should do what they can, to improve, and stop holding 7 other ppl, back.

others can only compensate so much. a group shouldn't need ilv 200 gear, for Bis-EX, just to compensate for a shitty player, just to carry them.

in a group the fault of a failure is NOT on the shoulder of one person, only, is a group work and as such is the failure of all.

this is the stupidest thing i ever heard.
if a tank fails to hold aggro, everyone will die - it's the tanks fault, not the entire party.
if healers dont heal, everyone will die, and it's the healers fault, not anyone else.
ofc if other ppl are crappy and getting hit by everything, it makes it harder for the healers.
and you're right it's a team effort, but other DD can't suddenly parse 2000dps, to overcompensate someone who's bad DPS.
if a DD is bad, the first thing they should do, is go to job forum here, and read up on good rotations, then go practice on dummies, until they can do decent numbers.
if they can't meet minimum requirements, despite being overgeared, they got no business doing end-game content - holding an entire party, back.