Something need to be done about BAD DPS.

[MeiUshu]

That's an irrational fear.
If the DPS standards set by a person are too high, the person will find themselves with no one to play with.

The bar will be adjusted based on what works.
You can't fill a party if there aren't enough people who meet your criteria. However, if there are enough people who meet the criteria, then there is no problem and the bar is not set too high.

That is not irrational, is already happening in dungeons, where a DPS who is not supposedly doing enough good according ot others is simply kicked out, when in fact as it has been said above, was doing more then the others, especialyl the tank that took all the aoes in the face expecting the Heals to heal him and when heal ran out of mana because well there is only so much you can do complained he died for ...lack of heals....so saying is irrational is wrong, if there is a parser it would be used and abused just about like the kick option is used and abused.

For the rest, there is a simple answer, if you dont like something just leave, ahh of course, you will take a 30mn penalty, but it would be the right choice to do...few can do it or would do it, they all are affected by the *Superior* mentality thing...keep in mind people NOBODY is perfect why ? because somewhere lies someone that is more perfect then you....rule of thumb of life, applies online too.

Mei

[Tuathaa]

Hey now. Do you have any idea how hard it is to roll my face on the keyboard and eat popcorn?

[MeiUshu]

Hey now. Do you have any idea how hard it is to roll my face on the keyboard and eat popcorn?

Yeah I do.

To Aberzoluut

do you really believe that numbers are enough to judge the ability of someone to play a given role ? Numbers will only tell you how high DPS was, does that make someone bad ? I dont think so, there are other factors to take into consideration in agame where* human* reaciton, action, interaction is very important, if someone is not putting out some good DPS either of the folowing can be the reason
a) not good enough in using abilities
b) having had the whole fight issues with mobs that were not taken by tank or whatever,attacking him or stuff alike
c) limitated but not because of something technical just that the person playing cant do better

now tell me, who are you to say people affected by b&c should be penalized ? because you see their output of DPS might be slightly if not totally off compared to the others, you really think is right ?

Numbers dont tell you all these things, numbers are cold and numbers need to be interpreted..now in all honesty, you and the others are going to interpret the numbers in order to avoid any wrong doing ? ...I know the answer already..but do you ?

Mei

[Neuflune]

The Western approach to the Duty Finder:

I play in a Japanese data center and when I get in a J party, it's normal for people to say "初見です！" if they are new, and the party asks if they need any help with the mechanics, stuff like that.

But when I get in an E party... there is a notice that someone is new and no one says anything. In one party, a dragoon obviously messed up every single thing. Another E player and I, when we saw the dragoon was E, literally asked "are you new? do you need pointers?". The other E player (not the dragoon), then proceeded to detail the mechanics of the fight. It was just a straight up instruction, no sarcasm or anything. The dragoon didn't reply once, didn't follow the instructions, and caused another wipe. We asked again if he needed anything explained... and then this is where it gets funny. Yet another E player said "this is why I hate E parties you're a bunch of elitists".

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

[Fendred]

This would help, but would be unlikely to put any real dent in the problem because its impossible to gauge the performance of damage dealers with the tools that exist in the game. Players do not stop by target dummies to test their rotations and they have no bar to which they can compare their output anyway. In groups, its impossible to gauge individual performance because we can only observe the lump sum of the party's combined dps. Even then, comparisons would be relative to other damage dealers, so bad damage dealers further encourage bad damage. The DD role should be burned with fire.

[Blaste]

People who don't care enough to actually try hard to learn playing their job correctly will never improve no matter what learning tools you give them.

And then FFXIV becomes overrun with Elitist twits and people turn elsewhere to find a more casual friendly MMO....yeah good plan, almost as good as telling people to go back to WoW.

[abzoluut]

Numbers dont tell you all these things, numbers are cold and numbers need to be interpreted..now in all honesty, you and the others are going to interpret the numbers in order to avoid any wrong doing ? ...I know the answer already..but do you ?

Numbers will tell me if a DPS knows how to DPS with his job. You don't need a parser to tell if someone fails mechanics (although it can come in handy to quickly find out why the tank got oneshotted after he claims on TS his mitigation was up, just to find out he took full dmg for example..).

All variables like a horrible pull, or a MNK w/o the right form at the pull, or a NIN w/o a pre huton start up, or a SMN/SCH w/o "double" aeatherflow stacks or the tank losing aggro, or a healer/DPS taking aggro or.. See where I'm going? When you play the game, you will have a general idea of what's going on. One would have a basic idea to what DPS is acceptable.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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Point is, no one cares about the reasons.

Numers are cold, yes, but that is what matters. DPS checks do not take into account the personal or technical circumstances of players.
Assuming the proper management of mechanics (which, frankly, should be a given when discussing dps), no one cares if you are blind and/or without an arm - results are what matters. 7 players should not be slowed down by 1.

[Fated]

It's all based on your role.

DPS hate bad tanks
Healers hate bad tanks
Tanks hate everyone

[XiXiQ]

I suspect what some need to realise, particularly with higher duties in DF at this stage, there are a lot of people still learning, still feeling it out. Not only the new content, but also a number of additional skills to integrate as well. For some jobs it's not just come up with an altered rotation, some are also hindered by movement, and the only way to get around that is to know the entire fight so you can decide best way to handle certain phases, not to mention when they'll start. We're not all super-geared either, which was quite the luxury for a long time. A little patience while people learn wouldn't go astray.