The 4th Tank.

[Phoenicia]

I hope the 4th tank class is one that becomes a brilliant OT capable of knocking WARs off their solidified spot in raids so that there is more variety than WARs + DRK/PLD.

I'm sorry to point this out, but your remarks annoyingly come out to me that you are jealous that the tank you picked does not have a "solidified spot" in raids based on baseless assumptions of things you read/heard somewhere in the game and/or forums. You come in with one line comments of "WARs too afraid to lose spot as OT" in every topic discussing how DRK or PLD need buffs. Before you start, I'm not even a level 60 WAR.

I'll point out that you don't seem to raid. Neither one of your characters even killed Bismarck Ex. Looking at your classes on both characters, you probably were a DRG main that decided to switch to DRK because it's a cool great sword using class. Grats, you can look like Cloud now.

Let me tell you this: None of the tanks like to play a tank and be stuck in the OT spot. Tanks like to be the center of attention, not pseudo DPS. The fact that WAR is stuck in the OT spot in those raids sucks much more than the fact that there are 2 tanks that bite at each other for the MT spot.

PLD and DRK statics DO exist, they are out there and they function just as well as any WAR + DRK/PLD setup out there.

Please, do yourself and us a favor and say something that adds meaningfully to the topic (in here a suggestion of what a 4th tank would be in case you missed it) or don't type anything at all.

[OPneedNerfs]

I'm sorry to point this out, but your remarks annoyingly come out to me that you are jealous that the tank you picked does not have a "solidified spot" in raids based on baseless assumptions of things you read/heard somewhere in the game and/or forums. You come in with one line comments of "WARs too afraid to lose spot as OT" in every topic discussing how DRK or PLD need buffs. Before you start, I'm not even a level 60 WAR.

I'll point out that you don't seem to raid. Neither one of your characters even killed Bismarck Ex. Looking at your classes on both characters, you probably were a DRG main that decided to switch to DRK because it's a cool great sword using class. Grats, you can look like Cloud now.

Nice ad hominem, whatever helps you feel better I suppose. FYI, I've mained PLD and WAR for most of pre-3.0 content. If we're talking about 3.0 endgame, you're just as inexperienced so we're on pretty even ground. (see I can do it too)

Let me tell you this: None of the tanks like to play a tank and be stuck in the OT spot. Tanks like to be the center of attention, not pseudo DPS. The fact that WAR is stuck in the OT spot in those raids sucks much more than the fact that there are 2 tanks that bite at each other for the MT spot.

Really? If that's the case, why aren't we seeing more compositions without WARs? Heck, why even play WARs unless you like the way they are played endgame currently? *HINT* As Offtanks

PLD and DRK statics DO exist, they are out there and they function just as well as any WAR + DRK/PLD setup out there.

Really? They function JUST AS WELL? Do you have numbers to back that up? Because the way it is currently, across ALL servers, on ALL clears of Alex Savage, I'm seeing WARs. Kindly provide pics/links/proof that a DRK/PLD static has cleared Alex Savage in the same gear as the WAR/DRK or WAR/PLD statics on a close time range of about 6 days.

Please, do yourself and us a favor and say something that adds meaningfully to the topic (in here a suggestion of what a 4th tank would be in case you missed it) or don't type anything at all.

Please, do yourself a favor and not let your rage and personal feelings get in the way of deluding yourself to how any feedback or comments that do not agree with your point of view as "nonsense" and asking people to shut up. It just makes your side of the argument look weak.


Back on Topic:

With PLD and DRK already competing with a spot as MT in endgame environments, it is definitely natural to have a tank that is able to fit the OT role in endgame environments that are able to compete with WARs. Unless of course, everyone tank wants to be "the center of attention", and forget that it's a team game, then so be it.

[Freyyy]

Really? They function JUST AS WELL? Do you have numbers to back that up? Because the way it is currently, across ALL servers, on ALL clears of Alex Savage, I'm seeing WARs. Kindly provide pics/links/proof that a DRK/PLD static has cleared Alex Savage in the same gear as the WAR/DRK or WAR/PLD statics on a close time range of about 6 days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXACMfQpUqQ

And they don't even have a NIN for slashing debuff so their tank DPS is nerfed.

[OPneedNerfs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXACMfQpUqQ

And they don't even have a NIN for slashing debuff so their tank DPS is nerfed.

Just.As.Well.

[Freyyy]

Just.As.Well.

You asked for a clear, not an optimized one. I gave you a clear. It doesn't have the same synergy yeah. But it works. Sufficiently enough to clear savage.

[Tila]

Just.As.Well.

You forget that if they included a NIN then the benefit is now gone. Likewise if they didn't include a scholar they would have suffered too. Its a party based games, some classes will bring things that help the others. Having this dynamic is a good thing and allows for creative party building.

[Phoenicia]

Just.As.Well.

If the enrage timer is met, no body gives a flying rat's tail. They met it with a far from "optimal" setup in their DPS classes. They have a MNK which does lower DPS than either NIN or DRG. They also have a BLM which does less DPS than SMN. This video proves my point that there is no class that is needed on its own.

This party did not wipe to AoE because they do not have Storm Path. They also met the DPS check without the slashing debuff. You're the one who has their panties in a twist because you feel WAR is so "superior" and content cannot be done without them.

[Phoenicia]

Large pointless snip.

You haven't cleared ANY or the SCoB of FCoB. So I wouldn't call your maining WAR and PLD pre-3.0 relevant! Also just for the fact I killed Ravana Ex and Alexander normal, I am far more experienced than you whose experience ends at expert roulette. But let's not flaunt our e-peens at each other.

In every post I posted around the forums I packed my statements with numbers. Just because people aren't doing it it doesn't mean it can't be done. Perhaps they are too stupid to realize it can be done. DRK does EQUAL DPS as WAR, so no, WAR isn't the best OT. What WAR a does as OT, he can do as MT. Nothing special about WAR OT. PLD is a far better OT than it is MT. Check my other posts if you can't see why.

It is a team game, so you, whither you're a DRK or PLD, should man the f*** up, and let the person that does a better job do it. If you are a DRK and don't wanna level PLD, just let your WAR "partner" tank the physical fights and you OT that fight. Believe it or not? Raid-wide DPS increases.

I am not here to argue with you nor am raging, but your remarks are as obnoxious and annoying as they are immature.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXACMfQpUqQ

And they don't even have a NIN for slashing debuff so their tank DPS is nerfed.

Thank you.