Dunesfolk -Family- Naming conventions

[ExKage]

I'm curious to know if we have some firm understanding or not of how Dunesfolk are named to indicate family. How do you know (outside of the Ul or Sil lines) that they are related?

I have one case study involving the Dunesfolk Ul line.
The first Sultan that founded Ul'dah was Sasagan Ul Sisigan.

Nanamo's parents are Sasabal Ul Sisibal and Nanasha Ul Nasha (confirmed by Fern at the E3 2015 Lorecast with Gamerescape).

So at first I thought, perhaps Sa and Si in the line is connected father to son. Perhaps daughter's take mother's (See Na of Nanasha and Nanamo).

But then we get to the 80 Sins of Sasamo and Fern's post on the topic ( WHERE IS THIS QUEST SOME DAY. WHAT ARE THESE SINS) states a sultana.

Any thoughts? Speculation?

[WyrahFhurrst]

Seems like it. All of the brothers of the Thaumaturge Guild have the same "Coco" bit on their names.

[ExKage]

We have the Coco-bros but I recently realized another problem and hit a snag.

The miner brothers and their archaeologist sister.
The twins are named Seserukka and Popokkuli while their sister is Nenekko.

[treuhavik]

The miner brothers and their archaeologist sister.
The twins are named Seserukka and Popokkuli while their sister is Nenekko.

I would like to say that it's the double "k" there, but then there's Checheroya, presumed owner of Amajina & Sons Mineral Concern in 1562, who I also assume is father to Seserukka and Popokkuli based on dialogue.

Court in the Sands

Checheroya, what's this about a cave-in at the Nanawa Mines? Gods, tell me it wasn't beyond the restricted area!

Calm down, everything's fine. I myself patrol that area every day. You need not worry about such a thing happening ever again.
My boys are looking into it as we speak. Once they're back, I'll have them tell you everything they know.

...

You there, have you seen the owner? I heard that he headed out with the master of the Miners' Guild.

(Fyrgeiss isn't mentioned anywhere in the quest)

Moose tells me that the twins are indeed sons of the guild's master, and that their mother was Shalala. So, I'm either way off base, and their father was a Roegadyn, or...

And where "Amajina" came from is another mystery entirely. (edit) Maybe Checheroya's father - grandfather, even?

At any rate, I think it's safe to say there's nothing in Dunesfolk names denoting family line.

[Anonymoose]

I would imagine that it's just like real-world given names, where we've got a few rules, some patterns and traditions, many possibilities, and yet some people still name their kids Jon, Joe, Jan, and June.

[treuhavik]

Yeah. The only rule would seem to be in royal lines. Ul and Sil, for example.

[Phyllo]

I assume seserukka, popokkuli and nenekko share the kk because they are siblings, they don't necessarily need to contain their parents' names but do share a bit of name due to being of the same generation.

For instance if one of them had twins they would maybe call em shasharrolo and yeyerruto, sharing again the same bit due to being of the same generation.

But that's just some theory.

[dragoelete]

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Lalafell - Dunesfolk
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Male

1. The phoneme pattern used is AAB - CCB
2. The A and C phonemes are 1 syllable, the B phoneme 2.
3. The A and C phonemes may rhyme, but do not have to.
4. Syllables are most often a single consonant paired with a single vowel, or simply a single vowel.

- Jajariku Nanariku (rhyming)
- Momomena Lolomena (rhyming)
- Nunulupa Tatalupa (non-rhyming)
- Fafajoni Kukujoni (non-rhyming)

There are rare cases when the B phoneme will ‘seemingly’ have one syllable such as Zozonan or Nanalai. The ‘n’ and ‘i’ here are, in fact, the remnants of sounds that were once paired with a Lalafellin vowel that, over time, has disappeared from speech, and therefore become silent in names.

Female

1. The phoneme pattern used is AAB - AB
2. The A and B phonemes are 1 syllable (with the A phoneme always repeated in the forename).
3. Syllables are most often a single consonant paired with a single vowel, or simply a single vowel.

- Jajano Jano
- Kokobi Kobi
- Yayamo Yamo
- Chuchumu Chumu

Fun Fact: Members of the Ul'dah and Sil'dih royal families also bear the names of their respective sultanates.

- Nanamo Ul Namo
- Lalawefu Sil Tatawefu

all of this is from the race naming convention section in the sticky part of the lore area. unfortunately i dont know how to change the color of text...

[ExKage]

... I wasn't asking for general naming convetions. I am interested in know about -family- stuff.

[dragoelete]

... I wasn't asking for general naming convetions. I am interested in know about -family- stuff.

the dunefolk don't rlly have a family name other than Ul for the Uldahn sultanate and the Sil for the Sildan sultanate...