Bard DPS on dummy, need inputs

[m3eansean]

Unfortunately I do not like any other class in the game. BLM was awesome in 2.0 but I don't like 3.0 blm. I like range classes simple as that. And that whole mp/tp utility is total bs and just an excuse. Ninja and SMN brings just as much utility as a brd and don't try to run around that. Seriously a dps that can do in battle Raise and sub par healing is support but doesn't receive any penalty for raising while in combat o.O? Its a lazy way to not allow brds to be just as vital in dps as other classes. I'm not asking for melee based damage but I would like to see brds to be on the same level as a smn while not being a mp/tp battery. There is no excuse for brds to be a pathetic dps.

NIN can only restore tp to one other party member every 2 min. Bards tp regen blows that out of the water by doing it to everyone in the party. SMN shouldn't be raising in any kind of competitive environment, that is a healer task and if SMN has to rez it is a 7 second cast and consumes a ton of MP It is an enormous drain on dps and resources for the SMN. SMN healing is a joke and should not be done in anything above level 30 or so because it is so pitifully weak (BLM can cross class this too, so its not a support component from my perspective).

BRD and MCH clearly have utility above the other Jobs, as such the lower dps. Devs have recently commented on this after HW release and solidified this outlook on the Jobs as being correct.

[Rysk]

NIN can only restore tp to one other party member every 2 min. Bards tp regen blows that out of the water by doing it to everyone in the party. SMN shouldn't be raising in any kind of competitive environment, that is a healer task and if SMN has to rez it is a 7 second cast and consumes a ton of MP It is an enormous drain on dps and resources for the SMN. SMN healing is a joke and should not be done in anything above level 30 or so because it is so pitifully weak (BLM can cross class this too, so its not a support component from my perspective).

BRD and MCH clearly have utility above the other Jobs, as such the lower dps. Devs have recently commented on this after HW release and solidified this outlook on the Jobs as being correct.

Forget about it man. I agree with you as a BRD main my self. and in my opinion playing BRD, we can be a little on par with the pure class dps if your going to play it really well. If Astral145 feels that BRD are weak and should get a buff, then(he needs to work on his rotations more) he wants BRD to be broken again(which will not happen). and from reading his POV on BRD/MCH he clearly hasnt done any hard content at all since he does'nt feel how useful BRD/MCH in a party. He's only basing his POV from easy dungeons/trials which you dont have to use any BRD/MCH utility as much.

its not worth explaining to him.

[Astral145]

Forget about it man. I agree with you as a BRD main my self. and in my opinion playing BRD, we can be a little on par with the pure class dps if your going to play it really well. If Astral145 feels that BRD are weak and should get a buff, then(he needs to work on his rotations more) he wants BRD to be broken again(which will not happen). and from reading his POV on BRD/MCH he clearly hasnt done any hard content at all since he does'nt feel how useful BRD/MCH in a party. He's only basing his POV from easy dungeons/trials which you dont have to use any BRD/MCH utility as much.

its not worth explaining to him.

Exactly BRD's utility is for savage raids or when other players are screwing up so bad that it makes the healer burn through mp. And saying that I have a bad rotation is an opinion ... its not that hard to weave in buffs in-between gcds and making sure to pop crit buff b4 applying dots for those sexy blood procs or aoe. BRD 3.0 is all about timing and knowing the mechanics and knowing when to use certain buffs...ect. I wouldn't mind if the devs made brds lose 45% dmg at the cost of singing a pretty little tune but if not being a tp/mp battery brds should be on par with SMN. Brds already have 20% to 25% less damage than other dps with comparable gear/skill 100% of the time. Then on top of that we lose another 15% damage when we sing a song? What kind of logic is that?

PLUS brds TAKE UP A DPS SLOT IN ALL CONTENT. Show me where there is a SUPPORT DPS slot in DF?

[Atmora]

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I mean when all the top tier raid groups are using bards it's pretty obvious they're in a good spot.

[Rysk]

PLUS brds TAKE UP A DPS SLOT IN ALL CONTENT. Show me where there is a SUPPORT DPS slot in DF?

- its just a DF slot it doesnt define your "class" what ever man.

If you think you can play your BRD well, then there's no need for complaining here and you should be close to the other DPS's damage dealt. If you feel BRD is weak then youre not doing it right.
Im tired of seeing crying posts when it comes to BRD get over it

- log in to your game, practice your BRD and rotations, do hard content and get good! and thats all ther is to it. period

[Astral145]

- its just a DF slot it doesnt define your "class" what ever man.

If you think you can play your BRD well, then there's no need for complaining here and you should be close to the other DPS's damage dealt. If you feel BRD is weak then youre not doing it right.
Im tired of seeing crying posts when it comes to BRD get over it

- log in to your game, practice your BRD and rotations, do hard content and get good! and thats all ther is to it. period

lol BRD is a retarded hybrid dps... If the devs think that brds are a support class then they need to give brds real support utilities. Being a mp/tp battery does not make it a true support class. And since brd takes up a dps slot it needs to be doing comparable dmg to a smn with comparable gear/skill when not being a lol tp/mp battery. Smn's can out dps a brd by 150+ on a parser even with drg's piercing debuff w/out breaking a sweat.

Smn has sub par healing, in battle swift-cast + raise, eye for an eye and virus which all are support utilities. But SMNs do not receive any penalties. By your logic SMN is also a support dps but I don't see them getting any penalties for doing a swift-cast raise in battle. So what if they lose a little mp for doing a raise, they can easily get that mp back due to how much down time there is inbetween phases + they get a nice chunk of mp back every time they use Aetherflow.

Again there is no such thing as a TRUE SUPPORT dps class in this game. All the devs have done was spit in the face of BRD players by decreasing their dmg output by 20% to 30% compared to other dps with comparable gear/skill 100% of the time. And to insult to injury there is also another 15% dmg reduction when you sing a song. The devs should have fixed the problems instead of being lazy. Last time I checked this was p2p mmo not a f2p mmo. There is no excuse for this.

[Kaze3434]

lol BRD is a retarded hybrid dps... If the devs think that brds are a support class then they need to give brds real support utilities. Being a mp/tp battery does not make it a true support class. And since brd takes up a dps slot it needs to be doing comparable dmg to a smn with comparable gear/skill when not being a lol tp/mp battery. Smn's can out dps a brd by 150+ on a parser even with drg's piercing debuff w/out breaking a sweat.

Smn has sub par healing, in battle swift-cast + raise, eye for an eye and virus which all are support utilities. But SMNs do not receive any penalties. By your logic SMN is also a support dps but I don't see them getting any penalties for doing a swift-cast raise in battle. So what if they lose a little mp for doing a raise, they can easily get that mp back due to how much down time there is inbetween phases + they get a nice chunk of mp back every time they use Aetherflow.

Again there is no such thing as a TRUE SUPPORT dps class in this game. All the devs have done was spit in the face of BRD players by decreasing their dmg output by 20% to 30% compared to other dps with comparable gear/skill 100% of the time. And to insult to injury there is also another 15% dmg reduction when you sing a song. The devs should have fixed the problems instead of being lazy. Last time I checked this was p2p mmo not a f2p mmo. There is no excuse for this.

edit; i take my previous comment back. with the way you are complaining, a response would fall on deaf ears. the two parts i bolded i will talk about tho. smn does not have sub par healing compared to an equally geared sch. its piss poor healing. then there are the times where people are dying and the smn raises them. say this happens twice, or more, or they have to grab a healer that died. mp regen isnt that big, aetherflow mp regen is tied to your total mp pool. there is a pretty good chance that that smn is going to have trouble keeping dmg up with no mp.

[Typhoria]

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Problem with that is that BRD and MCH get double dipped with damage reduction. Our weapon damage is already significantly lower, and then on top of that BRD loses 15% damage while singing + cast time and MCH lose all of their turret damage during promotion.

Also, no SMN would hardcast a raise. It would be used with a swiftcast. Only other thing SMN needs swiftcast for would be reviving a pet or on a 3 sec cast shadow flare.