DPS for Alex Savage Turn 1 Final Boss?

[Hakuohsama]

Hey Folks,

right now we are stuck on Turn 1.
We get to the enrage easy mechanic whise, but we lack a bit of dps.
On Faust we reach arround 7k Raid DPS, but when we reach the enrage from the final boss our dps goes under 5000.

What should be the dps of the melees and ranged dps?
Is it important that the scholar does alot dps too?
As a Bard my dps is arround 800-900 in this fight.

[Grotesque]

5000 Raid DPS is required. You can count Melee LB 3 with 140 DPS. So group has to do 4860 DPS. DDs should be at 900, both tanks should be at 900 combined, leaves 360 DPS for the healers which is doable.

[Galactimus]

SMN - 919
BRD - 893
MNK - 867
DRG - 846
WAR - 535
PLD - 440
SCH - 159
WHM - 135

TOTAL: 4,825 (Just started Self-Destruct)


Note: Both Tanks had Penta-Melded i150 STR accessories (+155 STR, +140 VIT) and specced full STR. Level 60 Food and Potions were used. It's a pretty close call. First Oppressor should be at 60% (or less) HP when Oppressor 0.5 appears. The chance of beating this encounter with a phase change at 62% or higher is extremely slim as Oppressor 0.5 appears with that % of HP as well.


A trick in the final phase, after the very last jump, is to have Tanks and Healers grab one add each and then completely ignore them (there's absolutely no reason to kill these adds; it's just wasted DPS if you do so.) This prevents the DPS from being mini'd while your entire raid is focus firing the Oppressors. Don't forget to remove Defensive stances during Self-Destruct (doesn't cost a GCD to click Shield Oath and remove it.) And don't use dot rotations just before they fly away as the DoTs don't tick while they are in the air. Therefore use high damage combos like Royal Authority about 10 seconds after you survive each Plasma tank buster.

[NolLacnala]

And don't use dot rotations just before they fly away as the DoTs don't tick while they are in the air.

[Sapphic]

A trick in the final phase, after the very last jump, is to have Tanks and Healers grab one add each and then completely ignore them

Melee place resin like in first phase, we all stack on one side of the boss for first resin so melee can still smack Oppressor and keeping resin out of the way.

Thing on Faust is you have to look at Faust him/her/itself's incoming damage, looking at people's encounter DPS will give you wrong results as certain jobs (mnk, drg, brd, sch, smn, mch?) have AoE attacks that they use in their normal single target rotation (elixir field, geirskogul, flaming arrow, shadow flare, etc) that will hit the adds and thus inflating their numbers if your OT is tanking them close to Faust.

Even without hitting adds to pad Faust is a training dummy as BLMs can dont have to move out of pinnochio and BRDS can WM from a static point for 100% of the fight. (Yes I call it Pinocchio :P )

Sure "mate!" If you fail a DPS check, you fail a DPS check. You dont need a parser to tell you that. If you look you can see (clearly) which DPS is doing the most damage simply by the hate meter. If you think that a parser is going to change *anything* about a group failing to meet a DPS check, then they forgot about what a DPS check is. Go back to WoW with your 3rd party unnecessary (but lets act like its so necessary!!!!) BS.

No, you can't. Ever heard of Quelling strikes and Elusive jump? 1 Person doing 100 DPS less than they should be to beat the enrage is not going to show either. Also the enmity bar shows the enmity at that time, it fluctuates up and down between spike and constant damage. It won't show the average over the fight which is what parsers do. It won't show you if someone has any misses on the boss which can cut down on average DPS, especially for combo classes like MNK and DRG.

If you clear content when it has echo and over gearing it, it is less important for parsers as you get carried by echo. Especially with FCoB. But when it's bleeding edge and you are the minimum ilvl then every point of DPS counts to get the clear.

[melisande]

Melee place resin like in first phase, we all stack on one side of the boss for first resin so melee can still smack Oppressor and keeping resin out of the way.



Even without hitting adds to pad Faust is a training dummy as BLMs can dont have to move out of pinnochio and BRDS can WM from a static point for 100% of the fight. (Yes I call it Pinocchio :P )

No, you can't. Ever heard of Quelling strikes and Elusive jump? 1 Person doing 100 DPS less than they should be to beat the enrage is not going to show either. Also the enmity bar shows the enmity at that time, it fluctuates up and down between spike and constant damage. It won't show the average over the fight which is what parsers do. It won't show you if someone has any misses on the boss which can cut down on average DPS, especially for combo classes like MNK and DRG.

If you clear content when it has echo and over gearing it, it is less important for parsers as you get carried by echo. Especially with FCoB. But when it's bleeding edge and you are the minimum ilvl then every point of DPS counts to get the clear.

My point wasn't that the hate meter is your "parser' like you are trying to make it sound. My point is, if you are failing DPS checks in the game, no parser is going to make it easier or help you clear it. The simple fact you are failing the DPS check in itself is your gauge of whether or not your groups DPS is up to snuff. If you fail a DPS check once, maybe 2 more times, you know the group isn't capable and its time to reform. This attitude that a parser is "necessary" is actually kind of hilarious to me. So obvious you all came from WoW.

[Allyrion]

My point wasn't that the hate meter is your "parser' like you are trying to make it sound. My point is, if you are failing DPS checks in the game, no parser is going to make it easier or help you clear it. The simple fact you are failing the DPS check in itself is your gauge of whether or not your groups DPS is up to snuff. If you fail a DPS check once, maybe 2 more times, you know the group isn't capable and its time to reform. This attitude that a parser is "necessary" is actually kind of hilarious to me. So obvious you all came from WoW.

That's cute. Ignorance is bliss, right?
You fail with a group, so you move on to another, and that's your answer?
Without ever knowing your performance, who was doing well and who wasn't.

Maybe you're the one who is doing badly. You wouldn't even know.
You'd just move from group to group bringing people down, till you find some people awesome enough to carry you through content.

Or maybe you're amazing, and that's great.
But you can always be better. And testing different rotation changes and how they affect your dps isn't possible without numbers behind it.

And that reform idea doesn't fly if you're in a static.
In that case, you're with a set amount of people and you need to evaluate everyone and see what can be done to bring everyone up to par for the content you're pushing.
Unless you just give up on everything till you can over-gear it considerably.

That's your prerogative, but not everyone gives up at the sign of failure.
Some do whatever they can to get ahead, from World First crazy strats to even the everyday statics that are trying to push the start of Savage now.

We're all trying to do our best and have fun, parsers don't conflict with that.
It's just numbers and information to have a baseline on analyzing your own performance as well as other information over the course of the encounter.

It's not "necessary".
It's just avoids the situation that people aren't aware of their own performance when in a party.
It allows people to improve.

And if you don't know how a parser can help make it easier to clear by using it to improve yourself, that's on you.
That's expected if you're the type of person that rage-quits after 2 wipes anyway.

[melisande]

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[melisande]

That's cute. Ignorance is bliss, right?
You fail with a group, so you move on to another, and that's your answer?
Without ever knowing your performance, who was doing well and who wasn't.

Maybe you're the one who is doing badly. You wouldn't even know.
You'd just move from group to group bringing people down, till you find some people awesome enough to carry you through content.

Or maybe you're amazing, and that's great.
But you can always be better. And testing different rotation changes and how they affect your dps isn't possible without numbers behind it.

And that reform idea doesn't fly if you're in a static.
In that case, you're with a set amount of people and you need to evaluate everyone and see what can be done to bring everyone up to par for the content you're pushing.
Unless you just give up on everything till you can over-gear it considerably.

That's your prerogative, but not everyone gives up at the sign of failure.
Some does whatever they can to get ahead, from World First crazy strats to even the everyday statics that are trying to push the start of Savage now.

We're all trying to do our best and have fun, parsers don't conflict with that.
It's just numbers and information to have a baseline on analyzing your own performance as well as other information over the course of the encounter.

It's not "necessary".
It's just avoids the situation that people aren't aware of their own performance when in a party.
It allows people to improve.

And if you don't know how a parser can help make it easier to clear by using it to improve yourself, that's on you.
That's expected if you're the type of person that rage-quits after 2 wipes anyway.

Again, if you aren't logical enough to be able to notice that your rotation could use some tinkering, and need a third party tool to tell you you are doing an inefficient rotation to "improve" your own performance, I find that logic a bit silly, and irritating at the same time. You can feel if you are rotating correctly, and no parser will help you figure out what exactly you are doing wrong. Learn your jobs rotation, perfectly, have Ilvl appropriate gear on, an understanding of the mechanics, and you will clear. No 3rd party necessary. If the game felt like we needed to measure our numbers they would have included a parser, alas they did not, because it is unnecessary, and one can master their own rotation by *playing the game*.

[SarcasmMisser]

So obvious you all came from WoW.

I love that is meant to be an insult or something. What's the better game to come from, XI? Hahaha.