The new mode is...rather dull as a healer.

[loreleidiangelo]

I would also question what GC the OP is in. In Flames, well yeah, it's going to be boring most of the time. Maelstrom (My GC) gets this sometimes... we're just camping on nodes, any enemies that stray near are dealt with swiftly and there's little to no incoming damage.

In any serious fight, though, one healer is not enough for a party (even if the enemy does not target or CC the healer at all).

I'm Primal Adders.

It honestly seems like always rolling with a premade might be my issue, though. Our group is so coordinated and focused that people who so much as TARGET me are dead in an instant, Purifies are actually used on me if mine is on CD, and they prioritize objectives over pointless skirmishing (though we'll happily bleed a first-place GC if we're running a close second on points). Pug groups usually require me to do more healing, but also have a muuuuch lower win ratio, so there's that.

My record for last week in our premade was 11-2-0. Overall ranking was 11-4-4, but 3 of the third places were on the day Seize came out and people just tooled around doing whatever.

[DenariusJay]

It honestly seems like always rolling with a premade might be my issue, though. Our group is so coordinated and focused that people who so much as TARGET me are dead in an instant, Purifies are actually used on me if mine is on CD, and they prioritize objectives over pointless skirmishing (though we'll happily bleed a first-place GC if we're running a close second on points). Pug groups usually require me to do more healing, but also have a muuuuch lower win ratio, so there's that.

My record for last week in our premade was 11-2-0. Overall ranking was 11-4-4, but 3 of the third places were on the day Seize came out and people just tooled around doing whatever.

Sounds like your just way to boss for sieze m8. Retire your Adders jersey in idyllshire for all to see.

[loreleidiangelo]

Sounds like your just way to boss for sieze m8. Retire your Adders jersey in idyllshire for all to see.

Yeah, probably lol. Seize is the pinnacle of PVP content, after all; I surely have nothing left to aspire to now.

Or maybe we could, y'know, acknowledge that with the removal of Cleric Stance that skilled healers are finding healing a bore in Seize unless their group is absolutely, inalterably, utterly ATROCIOUS?

Even if you don't agree, at least contribute something meaningful, please, as several others have done in this thread. In fact, C'eve, we liked the idea of a roaming split, so we might try that in some matches tonight.

[Risvertasashi]

skilled healers are finding healing a bore in Seize unless their group is absolutely, inalterably, utterly ATROCIOUS?

Doesn't need to be atrocious, just needs to be randoms. Try queuing solo.

Or you need to be fighting a group at a similar level, which happens much more often with randoms and only very rarely with premades. When you've got 2 party members getting focused and 2 sets of SMN dots on nearly everyone, things get... 'interesting'. Throw in 1 or 2 people very interested and trying very hard to assassinate you.

But if you're never clashing with any other large groups you won't see that, of course. But sitting around on points is boring for everyone, I think...

All that said C'eve has been making me think I would enjoy the Den a lot more... but a lot of the new rewards are with Seal Rock achievements, or old Frontlines rewards I haven't gotten yet... :/

[loreleidiangelo]

Doesn't need to be atrocious, just needs to be randoms. Try queuing solo.

Or you need to be fighting a group at a similar level, which happens much more often with randoms and only very rarely with premades. When you've got 2 party members getting focused and 2 sets of SMN dots on nearly everyone, things get... 'interesting'. Throw in 1 or 2 people very interested and trying very hard to assassinate you.

But if you're never clashing with any other large groups you won't see that, of course. But sitting around on points is boring for everyone, I think...

All that said C'eve has been making me think I would enjoy the Den a lot more... but a lot of the new rewards are with Seal Rock achievements, or old Frontlines rewards I haven't gotten yet... :/

I tried as you suggested and queued for a few matches this evening solo. Here was the latest result:

As you can see, the match was pretty close, and the screen I included DID include my two co-healers in my party, who...did not perform so well, it seems. It was definitely more exciting than my usual premade matches, but it still wasn't as fun as being a tank or DPS in the thick of things, or trying to heal through being constantly double-teamed (as was the norm for Primal Adders during 72 Slaughter).

For the record, I don't think I'm "pro" or anything. I just think that while AST is really tanky, and that will have merits in things like Den, that it doesn't play well in this new mode. I think it wouldn't be so bad if healers got a few healer-only PVP DPS actions that scaled off their MND rather than their INT... They'll still have SOME offensive options, but on a cooldown so you don't get a repeat of the 8 WHM Holylol train that used to plague Secure.

[TheWaywardWind]

I tried as you suggested and queued for a few matches this evening solo. Here was the latest result:

Side note, I am a Primal Immortal Flame who is offline doing other shit at the moment and it's nice to see I'm clearly not missing anything. :P