Lets Talk About UNDERCUTTERS!!!!

[I_Punch_Bees]

I mean, come on, we all have done it once in a while, undercutting someone by a few gil, just to get the quicker sale.. i speak of the people who sit there and undercut by hundreds, or thousands of gil, forcing prices to where its not even worth selling an item anymore, and just better off vendoring it off. We ALL want to make money, can't we all work together and come to some agreement?? Lets work together, and find a fair medium to charge at base minimum so that everyone can have a fair share at making some money.

If someone is selling a level 15 earring for 100k gil (which happens on Gilgamesh) I undercut it like crazy. Cause that is just dumb.

[MeiUshu]

If someone is selling a level 15 earring for 100k gil (which happens on Gilgamesh) I undercut it like crazy. Cause that is just dumb.

I never thought I would find someone that thinks like me.

Mei

[MeiUshu]

no is not contradictory, regulated means that you cant go above certain amount or below a certain amount by regulation in between you are free to price as you wish as opposed as a controlled market, which would impose you a single and unique price and you cant change it at all (this in a nutshell) the supply and demand is the best way to go about, buyers detain the final say and in truth are the one that make the market prices and a buyer will ALWAYS buy the chepeast stuff..who wouldnt right ?

Mei

[Felessan]

And i don't understand why people feel they need to list things for soo much less than everybody else, it just pisses people off and drives the economy down, aren't we all here to make money?, obviously said undercutters are or they wouldn't undercut just to get their gil lickety-split

Because demand is different at another price point and some people wants not to sell "this one item" at highest price but instead wants to sell as much as possible items with reasonable margin (total profit will be higher in this case). Most items are traded in volumes by seasoned crafters and one of the most important thing in volume trading is to know how to manage "time-to-sell" to prevent inventory/retainers selling ability stuffing.

For example - I craft and sell mostly consumable. But I craft them in hundreds per day and I prefer them sell in the very same day. So I will ignore guy who wants to sell his 10 potions as I know there is no demand at his price for 2 stacks of potions and drop price in half. Which still insanely overpriced but at least there some demand to cover my production volumes.

Ahahaha. Ok. You do that. Unless you have infinite gil that is only a temporary change and if you drop all your own prices enough all you are doing is throwing away gil out of spite. Then the next day it will be back to normal.

You can maintain prices at break-even spot for infinite amount of time. And most crafters will leave eventually as there is no point in spending time on crafting if you have zero profit on it.

everyone comes right back, with no delay

There is a delay, sometimes in a span of weeks as market awareness is not given and most crafters, especially amateur ones does not constantly monitors market to see current situation with different goods.

[nuyu11]

I love them, they are nice people.

[sirDarts]

Crafters are forced to make glamour items to level up? On balmung the Thavnairian Bustier has gone below 3 million gil while all the mats to make it cost more then 3 million.

1) There is only a finite, small, amount of people ABLE, let alone willing, to pay more than 5m for ANYTHING.
2) It's just vanity, nothing that actually helps you.
3) Mats are gathered = their price is completely made up by the gatherer.

[Nikkori]

Guess i need to specify what i meant, since it looks like so many people think i'm one of those idiot greedy people that sells things for rediculous amounts. my ranting was mainly directed at farmed items, and ones that can be fairly hard to come by. No where in my post did i ever advocate that it was "fair" to charge 100k for a 100g pair of earrings (have NEVER seen that, is that a thing somewhere???). i never stated any direct "what is fair" rules, though i saw some good suggestions to put a stop to rabid compulsive undercutters (making people pay a fee BEFORE the item goes on the board, is a great idea). If you aren't sure what i meant by what i said, please, don't assume what you want, i'm not stupid, nor am I a greedy person. I just want what i put in the work to collect to sell for a fair price, and things that are crafted, not be sold for 200x their price, or 3/4 of what the mats to make said item cost. Just saying there's a problem, that we could find an amicable solution to.

[Nikkori]

the whole reason i made this thread was to discuss about what could be done, or try to correct some of the problems there are, not to point fingers, and call people money grubbing jerkoffs or anything. so please, lets try and keep things on point, and not resort to finger pointing or putting people down. thank you.

[Kaedan]

I just want what i put in the work to collect to sell for a fair price, and things that are crafted, not be sold for 200x their price, or 3/4 of what the mats to make said item cost. Just saying there's a problem, that we could find an amicable solution to.

But that's just the thing... what you consider a "fair price" is most likely overpriced. To you it's "fair" because when you crafted the item you bought the mats at X price and are selling the item at X + some % profit margin... but you bought overpriced mats. So to everyone else, your price is too high, even though it's may not be much higher than what you paid for the mats.

You have two options: buy up the cheaper items and resell them at the price you want to sell, or take a loss and learn your lesson not to buy mats right away at the beginning of an expansion.

[gzuscry]

Think of ppl you call undercutters as Garage Sale owners, just with a bigger customer base. If i ever want to ill sell for 1 gill just to spite others. You never realy own the property in game or any item, their value is determined by developer with how they placed its occurance in the game. Glammour stuff for me personaly is worth only the listed ammout on how much it costs to sell to vendor, all the millions attached to it are pure bubble economy. Vanity in this game is artificialy inflated by SE, just to sell those gil hoarders some sense of exclusivity.
I have only 2 retainers and i have on me at most 3mil and circulate 500-700k gil, if i have the item on me at the moment and have extra ressources to make ill sell it as fast as i possibly can, i dont care how will others think or what they think, ill undercut it by 1-100 gills all the time, just to get rid of it faster, for me most of the time its pure proffit because i dont buy ressources from MB to craft to sell, i gather to create what i need and maybe sell for some proffit.
And here in lies the problem if come back in a day and see that stuff hasnt sold and look other pricing i see massive price drop, i now immidialty that the price was inflated for greed purposes only, as you can see others can iand will lower their prices and many other hop in to sell that item and they can price it even lower and still proffit. It all points to those undercutter whiners and I curse them for their insatiable greed to sell just to hoard the gill.