Who do you think will get the Black mage job? CON or THM

[Archadius]

It takes a special kind of genius to assume that THM must get BLM if CON gets WHM, when such a suggestion is not found in evidence in any way.

I will agree that CON is clearly getting WHM, and it is clearly going to be one of the first jobs released due to two major points:

1. CON recently received multiple tiers of Raise spells as well as exclusive rights to AoE Heals - effectively making it the healer of choice.
2. Jobs are being released for the express purpose of effective party-play, in which case a healer job is necessary and thus must be included in the first release.

So everyone can agree that it is effectively definite that WHM is among the first jobs to be released, and that it is most likely CON that will receive said job.

BLM, however, is only confirmed to be a finalized job name. Not confirmed in any way to be among the first release, and suggesting as much does not satisfy any need in a party environment as DDs are not particularly lacking.

Given the popularity of this thread, I would request the OP take advantage of this and post explicitly what the known facts are exactly - and how the released job names are not necessarily the first batch of jobs we are getting.

This way people can make educated guesses based on what little info we have, and we have less geniuses.

Been preaching this since the beginning, yet it falls on deaf ears, so you, like me, are wasting your breath. Once people get an idea in their heads, they ignore all logic and fact.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Jobs are specializations for classes designed for large party play. You give up your versatility and out-of-class abilities in order to perform a specific role a lot better. So White mage you would become a lot better at healing be it through potency, enmity down, or whatever, but you would theoretically lose access to offensive spells and the like. The versatility of a class will be more useful for smaller groups where you need to cover more roles.

This is why I feel it's pointless to think that too much will be taken away from either of them. They need to remain versatile enough as a class to function and specializing them in the class ruins the point of having a job, and if they are specialized enough as a class how will you get more jobs for that class later on, as was intended?

I think this is why CON will unlock both WHM and BLM and THM will unlock some other stuff.

Classes need to remain versatile for solo play or other stuff. If they rip CON of either their nukes or their heals to give them to THM, the classe itself becomes specialized in a way so it defeats the purpose of the job system.

[NoctisUmbra]

Been preaching this since the beginning, yet it falls on deaf ears, so you, like me, are wasting your breath. Once people get an idea in their heads, they ignore all logic and fact.

True as that may be, it isn't only this thread where I see so many people with completely wrong ideas as to how the Job system will be. I understand how there isn't much info to go on, but due to that lack of info and the quote from that interview so many rumors surfaced and more and more people began to mistake them for confirmed facts.

I can't resist to post on the most popular thread regarding jobs to hopefully try and remedy this.

[Rydin]

Classes need to remain versatile for solo play or other stuff. If they rip CON of either their nukes or their heals to give them to THM, the classe itself becomes specialized in a way so it defeats the purpose of the job system.

I never looked at it like that... but you're right.... If they take elemental stuff away from Con... then they don't even need WHM.... because they are effectively specializing the class....

[Estellios]

Yeah that is my reasoning as well. I'm wondering if they might introduce new mechanics to change how the mages work. THM could have something like different spells are stronger during the day/some stronger during the night, or based on how much health you/the target is at? No idea what CON could do though haha

If not something that drastic then maybe utility spells and abilities will get reworked to change how the classes play.

[Neptune]

All I can say is that whatever it is they need to give both players the option, even if for a limited time.

[zaviermhigo]

While reading the 13 pages of this thread is surprises me how many people don't read the Reinhart JP-English Translation thread...obviously ever, and those that did used it as too much of a gospel. So i can't say those who read it are really that better off. But they said WHM BLM BRD DRG (i guess dragon knight would still= dragoon, but i wonder if they'll call it dragoon in english version since dragoon is just french-ish version of dragon knight.) They also said PLD, but PLD and DRG no doubt who they'd go to. If they had just given us, lnc=drg, gla=pld, and whm=conj or blm=conj (i really don't care anymore), this thread wouldn't exist.

They also said rdm would equal conj+thm, but that was just an example. Some people forget that jobs won't be locked into the weapon of the class, so they think thm and conj can't even support rdm because they don't have swords. HELLO job specific weapons.


Everyone is also too busy thinking in the box. What if Conj gets whm, what if whm is different then what we think? What if blm is just more of a dark magic mage and not a elemental mage and thus fits in with the lore more. Pretty much, speculation is okay, its normal, its fun, bitching about speculation is awful and "special"
It just seems people in this thread have been uninformed or short sighted about this.


BLM could be a dark magic mage, we're not thinking outside of the box either. To be fair speculation is normal and healthy, bitching about speculation is "special" and unneeded.

[Estellios]

The only reason BLM would probably not be a dark magic nuker is because that's not what the job has been throughout the entire series of games, it has been about elemental spellcasting. You can have THM have a nuking job but it most likely wouldn't be called BLM, especially since a large reason behind the creation of the job system is to appeal to longtime players of the series that wanted the game to "feel more Final Fantasy" as well as the added bonus of giving players options to specialize.

If you read Reinhart's translations carefully it only says the names of some the jobs they had planned to implement, not which ones would be released first:

ジョブシステムで実装予定しているジョブは、決定しているものが、ナイト、モンク、白魔導士、黒魔導士、竜騎士、吟遊詩人（ジョブ名はすべて仮称）※たぶん、戦士を言い忘れたと思われる。
For job system the jobs that are planned and decided are Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragoon, Bard (Job names are temporary)

That is why I believe both mages are not being released at the same time because it's really the path of least resistance for all players without requiring any changes to the lore.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

While reading the 13 pages of this thread is surprises me how many people don't read the Reinhart JP-English Translation thread...obviously ever, and those that did used it as too much of a gospel. So i can't say those who read it are really that better off. But they said WHM BLM BRD DRG (i guess dragon knight would still= dragoon, but i wonder if they'll call it dragoon in english version since dragoon is just french-ish version of dragon knight.) They also said PLD, but PLD and DRG no doubt who they'd go to. If they had just given us, lnc=drg, gla=pld, and whm=conj or blm=conj (i really don't care anymore), this thread wouldn't exist.

They also said rdm would equal conj+thm, but that was just an example. Some people forget that jobs won't be locked into the weapon of the class, so they think thm and conj can't even support rdm because they don't have swords. HELLO job specific weapons.


Everyone is also too busy thinking in the box. What if Conj gets whm, what if whm is different then what we think? What if blm is just more of a dark magic mage and not a elemental mage and thus fits in with the lore more. Pretty much, speculation is okay, its normal, its fun, bitching about speculation is awful and "special"
It just seems people in this thread have been uninformed or short sighted about this.


BLM could be a dark magic mage, we're not thinking outside of the box either. To be fair speculation is normal and healthy, bitching about speculation is "special" and unneeded.

what they said in that interview was just the confirmed job names so far. They never implied that they would be the ones coming 1st.

Implying that BLM might be some kind of dark mage with dark spells and no elemental nukes is really too far stretched. It would go against all that FF is in regards to a BLM. so no, I am sorry but BLM will have elemental nukes and ancient magics, all of those spells currently owned by CON.

[ereskigal]

Find it funny how most these ppl that pushing for thm to be blm has thm leveled, ppl need to understand jobs are just a more advancement of a class made for party and event (raids). And class is made for solo play. Taking nukes away from con Will just make it a healer and there will be no point in adding a job for it.