Please let us *really* ride airships

[Fensfield]

To quote myself in the Producer Letter discussion thread:

Also, we were given warning aaaages ago that at first they were just adding it this way without the 'middle' section of the flight. We knew about it.

Even so, I'm going to join the ranks of those 'complaining' about it.

For one, I'm still disappointed anyway.

For another, I'd rather the reaction to the lack of an actual airship ride (as opposed to a glorified teleporter) be as loud as possible, even knowing they warned us before. At least then, hopefully, the developers will keep it and accompanying content in mind for the future, rather than thinking 'meh, nobody wanted it anyway' and not bother to expand it at some point down the road.

Besides, it'd also have the knock-on effect of subtly warning them against just quietly deleting the ferry's sea voyage and all, rather than iterating on it and putting some content in there.


Can't hurt to say it again, after all.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

To quote myself in the Producer Letter discussion thread:

Even so, I'm going to join the ranks of those 'complaining' about it.

For one, I'm still disappointed anyway.

For another, I'd rather the reaction to the lack of an actual airship ride (as opposed to a glorified teleporter) be as loud as possible, even knowing they warned us before. At least then, hopefully, the developers will keep it and accompanying content in mind for the future, rather than thinking 'meh, nobody wanted it anyway' and not bother to expand it at some point down the road.

Besides, it'd also have the knock-on effect of subtly warning them against just quietly deleting the ferry's sea voyage and all, rather than iterating on it and putting some content in there.


Can't hurt to say it again, after all.

the problem is, when people complain about something that they know will be changed soon, and the thing they are complaining about is only temporary, then it is not complaining anymore, it is not criticism...... it is whining, it is QQ, it is bitching.

[Fensfield]

the problem is, when people complain about something that they know will be changed soon, and the thing they are complaining about is only temporary, then it is not complaining anymore, it is not criticism...... it is whining, it is QQ, it is bitching.

While you do sort of have a point, all the same I feel there's more to gain by doing so than there is to lose.

Besides that..

1. I haven't actually been able to find the assurance this is only temporary. While I'd love it if someone pointed me to it instead of reiterating it, it's still entirely possible that if it stays buried, it'll be forgotten. These things benefit from being pushed.
   EDIT: Oh, hey Chrees added links up above. Thanks. That said.. my priority concerns stand, what with us never seeing an official translation of that and it not being the most reassuring of posts in the first place and all. Oh well, maybe it'll be put in here by the mod's if they take an interest in this topic.
2. The producer letter does not reaffirm this assurance while talking about a feature it would have a significant effect on. In my (admittedly somewhat limited) experience with these things, that means it's either very low priority, or they're actively trying to downplay it. Either way, not a good thing, benefits from being pushed.
3. Why is "I would like to restate my wish to actually ride the airships, rather than their just being a teleporter with a thematic cutscene" crying?

There's a fine line between feedback and whining .. but it's frankly a moot one given, aside from when a post is rude, a whining post is simply irrelevant rather than actively damaging. What matters is making the developers aware of how wanted a feature is, and keeping them aware. If enough people do as I've done, perhaps they'll increase it's priority, or keep it out of the 'corners to cut if we run short of resources' bin.

Either way, in the end, so what if it's "QQ"? Does it seriously do more harm than good to politely and regularly, in appropriate places such as this thread, point out how much I would like particular features?

Oh I'd certainly agree were someone writing something along the lines of, 'omfg cutscenes ****ing suck give real rides NOW' the result might be negative. Lord knows, I'd not want that sort of reply "supporting" any feature request I made; that really might put someone influential off having anything to do with it.

But 'Please let us *really* ride airships', or 'Please, don't consider cutting back on the vehicle rides, but rather iterate on them and use them to offer us interesting content'? That's perfectly valid feedback, even if they have said 'We'd like to do that at some point down the line,' especially when the developers haven't said as much again when the issue came up in a much more weighted context, such as the producer letters.

In choosing what features to add to a game, priority is very important, and often determined by how much the developers perceive the community wants that feature, and how they believe that feature's influence will change their product's perceived value. So it really can't hurt (except in the eyes of those who don't want what you do, and they've just as much right to politely say why in reply) to just say, in appropriate threads, how much you would like a particular feature.

Sorry, long ramble over, but.. yeah. 'Whining/QQ/whatever' is, in my opinion, a really overblown issue and an often unfairly applied complaint. At worst, posts that actually are just whining are irrelevant and will be disregarded by those who matter. What's actually problematic is possibly valid suggestions and criticism rudely or illegibly delivered, or those who might have good points making themselves look as if they lack insight by attacking other members of the community.

Anyway, thanks for the measured response, but I guess I'd rather not keep on discussing so.. I'm out of this sub-topic. Probably the topic at large and all, now I've said what I wanted to. Thanks for reading the wall.