Lets Talk About UNDERCUTTERS!!!!

[Laerune]

This will never happen, unless the we the players are responsible for the mats being in the world. If this game had a feature where players had to plant the trees, take care of the animal population etc for mats, then yes, I think we might see players working toghter to find a common price range for the items, but this is not the case here.

In the end if someone thinks a item is worth X and is willing to undercut another players for few gil, then I see no issue here.

[jomoru]

I know! I try to sell everything for 99999999999999999999999999999999999Gil and no one buys it. Why won't people buy crappy white NQ stuff for max gil? Stupid undercutters!

[Yumi_umi]

I know! I try to sell everything for 99999999999999999999999999999999999Gil and no one buys it. Why won't people buy crappy white NQ stuff for max gil? Stupid undercutters!

I put max gil prices on things i want to hold but dont have the inventory space for. So it stays on the MB for place holding as no 1 will buy it at that price = i can keep it up there till i take it back

[Maxipep]

I'll undercut whenever I think someone is being greedy, point in question, Blue cloud coral on our server was 23k each, way too much, I levelled fisher in about 2 hours then went on to catch a stack of blue cloud coral in about 90 minutes, sold them in pairs for 10k each dragging the market down to a more reasonable price. We live in a world where everyone wants everything now, it isn't real money, selling mats or gear at highly inflated prices only serves to encourage people to use Gil sellers. If, like me, you have spent time and levelled all your DoH and DoL you don't need massive amounts of Gil, those people that are levelling rely on us not to take advantage of their low level status and overcharge them.

[Izularia]

Yesterday, I checked the prices for the Thavnairian Bustier on my server. Saw one for 2,5m gil. A few days ago it was at 15m, just lol.

[Kuwaitum]

First of all we should have a precise definition of 'Undercutting', through several threads which discuss 'Undercutting'. I can sum up the definitions as per category of players:

1. Greedy Crafters (Give me your Gil): Undercutter is someone listing a Hard Leather Shoes (HQ) for 2K gil, because the Super Crafter put them for 25K gil.
2. Fast Leveling Crafter/Retainer Venturer: Someone who lists the items for least price for sake of getting rid of it but regain partial gil, for a price not worth competing against. (its like buying something for $5 and selling it for $1).
3. One Gil Undercutter: well, doesn't really care about the actual worth/value of the good.. simple see price and do the magic equation: (My Price = Least item price - 1 gil).

I cannot blame anyone, its a free market. As for myslef I don't compete when there are any undercutters of Type 2, and I ignore Type 3 undercutter (my time is more important than your 1 gil).
As for Type 1, if I had time I can compete with them, sometimes flood the market for sake of hitting some sense into greedy people.

When crafting someone should put in mind the following:

- Material value
- Quality
- Time used
- Retainer slots
- Stack size
- MB availability & quantity
- Average Price & history price

I myself usually list my goods as per average sales history, if I want to list same price I try to set it into a retainer that isn't same area as my fellow crafters such that the buyer could get the goods without paying tax.

I will not call myself undercutting when I list a Silver Chocker for 3K gil when there are only 90K ones listed. That's a new price. A reasnoble price. (imho ofc).

As for my real undercutting I do them like a sir, in case the goods are in range can be tolerated (or want to piss off some fellow competetors) is simple to list it with 90% of Least price on condition that will ne be less than my original estimared price.

All that prices are really set by each indvidual, the more time you spend in game.. the more time you have to gather/craft/sell/monitor. For me as a working player that have 1-2 hrs a day.. its hard to compete against someone who plays 10 to 12 hrs a day.

Its a free market, and its a game.. Try to enjoy it and that's what is really important.

[Zfz]

What's a reasonable price? What's a reasonable profit?

When 80% of the listing are willing and actually do undercut something from 100k down to 10k, it means they're willing to sell at 10k. It means 10k is a reasonable price. As someone who almost never sells for profit (I just level them up and leave it until the next level cap increase), when I see an item consistenly undercutted to 10% of the highest listing, it just means that highest listing was over-priced and the goods can and are produced at 10% of the final price. It would only mean the high listing wasn't reasonable.

[Fyce]

Yesterday, I checked the prices for the Thavnairian Bustier on my server. Saw one for 2,5m gil. A few days ago it was at 15m, just lol.

This has nothing to do with undercuts. This is simply the market evolving towards its more stable state in regards to the balance between demand and supply (it's called "equilibrium").

This particular item was in very high demand, but very few people could craft it, hence the very high prices. But since the amount of Lv60 crafters is increasing as well as the materials are starting to be more easy to get, and the number of "first rich buyers" is decreasing, the price is naturally going down to find its equilibrium so crafter can still make some profit without the prices being completly bonkers.

Besides, if a crafter can still make some profit out of it by selling it at a lower price, it allow more potential buyers to come and take the item, allowing the crafter to buy some mats in return and craft some more of these.
In the end, the crafter will probably end up making more profit that way instead of waiting weeks for a very high priced item to sell.

[Millerna]

Undercutters are nowhere near as bad as overchargers though ...

[Eye_Gore]

can't we all work together and come to some agreement?? Lets work together, and find a fair medium to charge at base minimum so that everyone can have a fair share at making some money.

I now the game is called Final "Fantasy", but there is some reality to it. Its that this will never stop. If there was a base minimum, how many items would be at it, meaning you would only see the top ones. People who listed it long ago would probably never sell, someone won't scroll down to the 100th item and buy that one when the first one was the same price. There's another reason to undercut, your item is at the top of the list, so of course it just sets off a chain reaction.

The worst is when they undercut equal to or below the vendor sell price.

These are the best, buy em up and resell them to an NPC fast way to make a Gil and cover the teleportation fees for the day.