whoa whoa whoa slow down

[SDaemon]

leaving Alexander: Gordias (Savage) as the sole source of item level 210 equipment until the next wing of Alexander, which will likely reward item level 210 equipment

Would just like to point out that Esoterics (i200) are upgradable to i210 through drops from Savage and likely the new 24man raid at a much later date. So Gordian gear from Savage isn't going to be the sole source of i210 gear.

[Kaedan94]

Would just like to point out that Esoterics (i200) are upgradable to i210 through drops from Savage and likely the new 24man raid at a much later date. So Gordian gear isn't the sole source of i210 gear.

And it wouldn't matter even if 210 was completely locked behind Savage. Why? Because you don't need 210 gear. There's nothing in the game that requires 210 gear, not even Savage. And the 210 gear looks just like the 190 gear, so vanity isn't an excuse either.

[MiniPrinny]

Would just like to point out that Esoterics (i200) are upgradable to i210 through drops from Savage and likely the new 24man raid at a much later date. So Gordian gear isn't the sole source of i210 gear.

Um... that sort leaves at least until we learn more, Savage mode as the sole source of item level 210 equipment. Obtaining equipment to upgrade your equipment is sort of limiting that item level to people on the cutting edge. Even if the new 24-man content somehow rewards goblin refinements, it would be likely time gated much like Savage mode is now. I personally hope they don't take that route myself, leaving the best gear to the best content isn't a bad thing, since it is at that point a "bragging rights reward."

[Verius_Nox]

This sure as hell beats the wonky i70 to i90 jump in 2.0. So, no, I disagree, this is just fine as it is. Allows for people of every play-style to gear at their own pace, especially when these will be our ilevels until 3.2.

[SDaemon]

Um... that sort leaves at least until we learn more, Savage mode as the sole source of item level 210 equipment. Obtaining equipment to upgrade your equipment is sort of limiting that item level to people on the cutting edge. Even if the new 24-man content somehow rewards goblin refinements, it would be likely time gated much like Savage mode is now. I personally hope they don't take that route myself, leaving the best gear to the best content isn't a bad thing, since it is at that point a "bragging rights reward."

Savage is indeed the only place to get the 2 sets of 210 gear presently, though when the 24-man is released that won't be the case. This pattern is the same as it has always been. When the 24 man drops Savage isn't going to be the only source to upgrade Esoterics, as I don't see SE changing their setup.

And it wouldn't matter even if 210 was completely locked behind Savage. Why? Because you don't need 210 gear. There's nothing in the game that requires 210 gear, not even Savage. And the 210 gear looks just like the 190 gear, so vanity isn't an excuse either.

The response was about the Esoteric gear, not the Prototype/Gordian gear.

The i100/i110 Sol and i120/i130 Poetics looked the same and yet SE started to make those freely upgradable after the next patch outside of the raid. I don't see them doing the Esoteric gear any differently.

[Warlyx]

And it wouldn't matter even if 210 was completely locked behind Savage. Why? Because you don't need 210 gear. There's nothing in the game that requires 210 gear, not even Savage. And the 210 gear looks just like the 190 gear, so vanity isn't an excuse either.

the 24 man raid will drop pages later on or a weekly , so ppl cant upgrade slowly.

210 can be dyed ....200 cant

[Kaedan94]

Savage is indeed the only place to get the 2 sets of 210 gear presently, though when the 24-man is released that won't be the case. This pattern is the same as it has always been. When the 24 man drops Savage isn't going to be the only source to upgrade Esoterics, as I don't see SE changing their setup.



The response was about the Esoteric gear, not the Prototype/Gordian gear.

The i100/i110 Sol and i120/i130 Poetics looked the same and yet SE started to make those freely upgradable after the next patch outside of the raid. I don't see them doing the Esoteric gear any differently.

I wasn't talking about Gordian gear, I was talking about what you were talking about: Upgrades for Eso gear.

You may very well be right that in the future we'll be able to get the upgrade items from the 24 man or from a repeatable weekly quest. What I was saying is whether they do or not is completely irrelevant for two reasons:

1) 210 gear isn't necessary for any content in the game, not even Savage, so it wouldn't matter even if most people couldn't get it. 200 is plenty for all content in the game.
2) Gordian gear has the same appearance as it's 190 equivalent, so nobody is missing out on vanity or anything.


Sure, they may let us upgrade another way in the future, but it's pretty irrelevant. And most likely, by the time you can upgrade Eso gear with something other than Savage drops, we'll probably have the next weekly limited token gear (215 or 220).

[SDaemon]

snip

How does that make it irrelevant? People enjoy progressing their characters. If, as you say, 210 isn't need for anything than its purpose logically is to fulfill a sense of progression, of strengthening your character. It is the sense that you are getting stronger.

Gordian gear appearing the same at Prototype gear has nothing whatsoever to do with Esoterics (its looks, its upgradability and dying etc). What exactly would this be a reason for?

By the time we can upgrade Esoterics outside of Savage will in all likely-hood be the same time they allow it like always, at the end of this raid tier just before the next batch of Alexander floors are released.

[Kotemon]

iLvl 210 is going to be the highest for a while now at last until 3.2 comes.

Hopefully, I need time to spend some time on leveling up other jobs.

[Peekachu33]

Hopefully, I need time to spend some time on leveling up other jobs.

Relic will be higher than 210, 215 minimum.