Did Yoshida went a bit too far by cloning WoW?

[Tonkra]

"Yo guys WoW invented griffins! This game is WoW ripoff."

do you know that Final Fantasy didnt ever had griffins in its franchise till FF HW? hum how comes?

And as the scenery itself reminds of WoW.. not to talk about the UI and flying mounts in all. and even having other mounts besides chocobos. like blue glowing ponys and all havent been part of final fantasy ever.

Nael Van Darnus and the original storyline could likely be completed in a day if you didn't have to grind levels to get there ^^; Hence it was lacking.

Yes and FF ARR is lenghtening it by implementing hundreds of careless "get me 10 milk bottles" quests within the main story. Kill 6 random mobs... right. thats what a mainstoryline mission deserves.

besides that openworld mobs are complete trash mobs now. in Final Fantasy every monster is considered as a serious opponent.

i mean
Final Fantasy X


trash mobs... that isnt Final Fantasy.. and thats why monsters in the old version and especially in FFXI monsters have taken a longer time to kill...and in contrast gave 10x more exp. I think many people didnt understood that, because they come from games like WoW.
That there are games with battles that are taking longer time and a combat system thats being slower.

[Kisshu]

1.0 had a lot of problems during it's start, for example the combat system was changed several times from having to execute your basic attacks to suddenly have auto-attacks. Also the exp system was confusing, given you exp for healing someone not in your party and having a reverse rest system when your exp gain suddenly plummeted sharply unless you changed to a different class.
Back then leves when the name of the game for exp, but that also got changed a lot. I recall being able to handle lv 20 leves on my PUG15, but suddenly it was changed and now I had to do lower level leves for crappy exp.

What drow me away were all the different changes, it felt like they didn't have a clear direction for the game back then and it felt imcomplete, like questing getting patched in later and wasn't a part of it from the start. I did love the very big open worlds, I hope they get more programmers and money to this game so we can have truely big maps like in 1.0(but with less copy paste locations)

[ElHeggunte]

do you know that Final Fantasy didnt ever had griffins in its franchise till FF HW? hum how comes?

And as the scenery itself reminds of WoW.. not to talk about the UI and flying mounts in all. and even having other mounts besides chocobos. like blue glowing ponys and all.

I'm having a hard time trying to decide if you're serious. Several Final Fantasy games have had gryphons (spelled Griffon in the games) as enemies.

And it's a WoW clone because they both happen to have snow-covered zones? Because snowy zones never existed in a game before WoW, right?

[Raiker]

do you know that Final Fantasy didnt ever had griffins in its franchise till FF HW? hum how comes?

Let me help you:

Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy Legend 1, 2, and 3
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles

Here, for reference young one. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Griffon_(Enemy)

[Tonkra]

I'm having a hard time trying to decide if you're serious. Several Final Fantasy games have had gryphons (spelled Griffon in the games) as enemies.

And it's a WoW clone because they both happen to have snow-covered zones? Because snowy zones never existed in a game before WoW, right?

But not as mounts.. since in FF you ever had chocobos as mounts.. and no flying mounts.. no its because of the LOOKS it has.. when you compare it to older screenshots..

and if you compare it to the offline series it has less in common with typical FF's. thats my opinion on that.

[Raiker]

Yes and FF ARR is lenghtening it by implementing hundreds of careless "get me 10 milk bottles" quests within the main story. Kill 6 random mobs... right. thats what a mainstoryline mission deserves.

besides that openworld mobs are complete trash mobs now. in Final Fantasy every monster is considered as a serious opponent.

Those are called random encounters; you grind on them to level up. Let me repeat that: You grind on them to level up.

[Vespar]

Yes and FF ARR is lenghtening it by implementing hundreds of careless "get me 10 milk bottles" quests within the main story. Kill 6 random mobs... right. thats what a mainstoryline mission deserves.

Last time I played WoW there were literally HUNDREDS of these "go get me X item" quests as well. The only difference is that the story in WoW is a block of text. In FFXIV, its line by line dialogue with an npc who explained why that item was needed. Not to mention there's often a veritable treasure trove of lore packed into some of these quests, or insights into NPC's you wouldnt otherwise see.
Dunno if WoW is the same, I couldnt be bothered to read their walls of texts, so in XIV I'd say the line by line dialogue is a welcome innovation...

Also, 1.0 was literally years ago. And its not coming back. There comes a time when you have to let go of the past to make way for a better future.

[DarkmoonVael]

do you know that Final Fantasy didnt ever had griffins in its franchise till FF HW? hum how comes?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Griffon_(Enemy)

Final Fantasy 3 is where they first appear. I think this kind of pre-dates WoW.........

EDIT; Lol Raiker beat me to it, but if two of us can do a quick google check on facts, i think OP can as well.

[Raiker]

But not as mounts.. since in FF you ever had chocobos as mounts.. and no flying mounts.. no its because of the LOOKS it has.. when you compare it to older screenshots..

and if you compare it to the offline series it has less in common with typical FF's. thats my opinion on that.

Let me help you again:

A griffon flying mount: http://eq2.zam.com/wiki/Flying_Mount_(EQ2_Quest_Series)

Guess EQ2 stole it from WoW too?

I get it, you want 1.0 back, the only other MMO you've played is WoW, so you have no reference. You're not getting 1.0 back; the game nearly failed for all the glorious nostalgia that folks have, it nearly failed.

Move on.

[Tonkra]

And WoW carried over elements of EverQuest and EverQuest carried over elements of Ultima Online and Ultima Online (which is where the term MMORPG was coined)

First of all Final Fantasy XI is more like an Everquest than a WoW ever is going to be.... its a difference to copy features and remaining true to onseself... or copying and looking/feeling like an other franchise. gameplay, lore and visually wise.

Guess EQ2 stole it from WoW too?

Though you think you are intelligent.. i meant the LOOKS of it. i said "which LOOKS more like AION/WOW to me). AION didnt had a griffin mount or did it?! Besides the fact that you never ever would ride a griffon, a blue glowing pony in any other final fantasy game of the series.. and that its a flying mount..

i meant the VISUALS about it. NOT the griffon. or did i just said that by posting that screenshot? no..

that these graphics, visuals, character perspective, flying mount, griffin, the UI, Quest Hub and all does not look Final Fantasy'ish.