Pre-60 dungeons: ignoring crucial mechanics?

[Akei]

First boss of sohm al you are better off ignoring the bees, I've yet to have a group that could successfully kill all the bees before the aoe and go back to boss, this results in the fight taking 10x longer because there is almost no dps on boss.

Second boss you only need to kill the big green slime, for the red/blue ones you just ignore them and burn boss, stack for fire marker and spread for ice marker. Could probably ignore the big one too if healer is really on the ball with pre explosion stoneskins.

Guess we are dicks.


Took us all of 2 mins to figure out stack red, split blure .. however we ignore the green slime and make our healer heal through that crap We dont divert DPS to the green, we just ignore it and heal pops a CD to heal though it nps. As long as your stacked (Red inc) or spread (Blue inc) and the healer throws the respective heal .. IE group heal for red / ST heal on target for blue .. all golden. Guess we are dicks and make our heal sux that crap up

[The_Last_Dragoon]

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When I originally posted this, I was specifically thinking of Nidhogg from The Aery and how players would not free others from the binding. Now I get to enjoy watching two players die on Ser Charibert because they refuse to stretch the chain or dodge the knights. Once again, these players don't claim to be new to these dungeons either.

[Twilite]

I die to fetter in Aery often... It really makes me mad.

[Nestama]

I'll never forget the Lalafell tank in Sohm Al who got mad at a dps for attacking an add...then proceeded to lecture the party telling them to ignore adds in every boss fight as a general rule. My healer got into an argument with her about it. The dps finally said plaintive can we just clear this?

Ignore all adds. Everywhere. For every fight. ...good luck with that.

Well, with Sohm Al, you can ignore all but one add in the boss fights (the green slime).

[Edewen]

Guess we are dicks.
Took us all of 2 mins to figure out stack red, split blure .. however we ignore the green slime and make our healer heal through that crap We dont divert DPS to the green, we just ignore it and heal pops a CD to heal though it nps. As long as your stacked (Red inc) or spread (Blue inc) and the healer throws the respective heal .. IE group heal for red / ST heal on target for blue .. all golden. Guess we are dicks and make our heal sux that crap up

In those 2 minutes of not stacking for red, good chance you may have killed someone or yourself. Not killing the green, good chance you may have killed the group. a bit more than 2 minutes when you may be causing wipes because someone in party typing what to do somehow infringes on your god given right to be ignorant and get carried. So yes, dicks is a good word for it.

[Whiteroom]

If you are wanting to run blind, make a party finder and join with other like minded players. Most that use duty finder would like to efficiently kill the boss in one shot, if that means telling you the mechanics, deal with it.

The only person being inconsiderate here is the blind runner whose puts their own desire to not know what to do, over the general group ideal of efficient clears with competent players.

This.


Tbh, they aren't even running blind, they are just being carried and making others work harder. If the other three know the dungeon, its not blind, you aren't beating the dungeon, you are being a ball and chain they drag through.

I like blind runs myself. Do you know when I do them? Soon as the content is released, when everyone is blind. Forming a blind PF if it is dated content is how you run it blind later.

Example, two Qarn nm runs yesterday to level AST, three "blind" players. Two of which die to every doom, one who ignores Bees and lets them kill me (the healer) as I have aggro. One of them spends the burn phase of the second boss bitching at the other dps to stop wasting the lb, and save it for the last boss, despite him using it properly. He actually saved the first boss with it after her third or forth death to doom, me low on mp, everyone low on hp and the bees come up. He got everything with a quick MCH lb. I was impressed. One of the failed opening every door and spawned enemies. Even ran forward and spawned all enemies on the last scales as soon as we pulled the last hall, which does not work smoothly. What happened to that dps, they unanimously ended up back in the dps Qarn queue.

The above story outlines my point that it you are stubbornly blind running everything in DF, you are that person to one degree or another.

[Akei]

In those 2 minutes of not stacking for red, good chance you may have killed someone or yourself. Not killing the green, good chance you may have killed the group. a bit more than 2 minutes when you may be causing wipes because someone in party typing what to do somehow infringes on your god given right to be ignorant and get carried. So yes, dicks is a good word for it.

You miss understood my meaning.

Our first blind run ... it took us all of two mins to figure out the fight. Stack red, split blue. We DO stack on red (unless its on me - the tank, I just eat that crap solo) and we split on blue. We do NOT however DPS the green, our healer just heals the pulse. We dont die .. so works for us. This was week one in leveling gear. You dont have to DPS green unless your healer is not on the ball. /shrug.

[Edewen]

You miss understood my meaning.

Our first blind run ... it took us all of two mins to figure out the fight. Stack red, split blue. We DO stack on red (unless its on me - the tank, I just eat that crap solo) and we split on blue. We do NOT however DPS the green, our healer just heals the pulse. We dont die .. so works for us. This was week one in leveling gear. You dont have to DPS green unless your healer is not on the ball. /shrug.

One story about one mechanic does not make an argument. So you managed to survive because the healer saw the dps not doing their job, and blew his wad to carry you. You aren't helping your point. You are really only helping mine. Now if the entire group was blind, that is a different story. But inflicting the blind run attitude on duty finder would mean that you just made a complete stranger have a harder time of this just to carry you. Regardless of whether you survived, I repeat, dicks is a good word for it.

[Rikkustrife]

One story about one mechanic does not make an argument. So you managed to survive because the healer saw the dps not doing their job, and blew his wad to carry you. You aren't helping your point. You are really only helping mine. Now if the entire group was blind, that is a different story. But inflicting the blind run attitude on duty finder would mean that you just made a complete stranger have a harder time of this just to carry you. Regardless of whether you survived, I repeat, dicks is a good word for it.

i am pretty certain they run as a group together

[Ultimatecalibur]

If you really want to see "ignoring crucial mechanics" check out the higher level guildhests.

I was in an "Annoy the Void" (level 30) earlier today that manage to wipe because the DpS were obsessed with burning the main target instead of killing the Hounds that spawn based on the damage it takes. I was tanking close to a dozen hounds before I died. They proceeded to then eat the rest of the party and I learned that the hounds don't despawn on a wipe.

Several other guildhests are also made harder by DpS trying to burn stuff.

One concept that a lot of people do not learn is: "In some fights adds spawn based on Boss hp." Failure to learn this is one of the main reasons Pharos Sirus was so killer.