We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Nestama]

People who clearly don't understand the problems of missed BL procs and Straighter Shot procs coming too late should experience it before making saying it's fine and to shut up about it.

I think BLM's, even without a BRD, can talk about it. Firestarter proc = Straighter Shot proc. Thundercloud proc = Bloodletter proc (and before people start going "see!? We're bow mages!" this has been a thing since ARR).

[RiceisNice]

I think BLM's, even without a BRD, can talk about it. Firestarter proc = Straighter Shot proc. Thundercloud proc = Bloodletter proc (and before people start going "see!? We're bow mages!" this has been a thing since ARR).

Fire III was not part of your regular rotation outside of using it in umbral III and firestarter. Straight shot for bard is. If I get a straighter shot proc in the middle of my straight shot, I get none of the benefits, but still end up using more TP (which is a finite resource) for less potency. Thundercloud is also more potent than bloodletter and uses a GCD (not that it didn't come with its own problems, though seems to be changed a bit). Bloodletter is oGCD and resets much more frequently, something that doesn't meld well with cast times.

I'll give you Straighter Shot, but Blood Letter procs have been an issue for anyone who couldn't squeeze off two oGCDs due to latency. I'd personally argue no class was designed around two oGCDs between GCDs given most people need programs like WTFast and Pingzapper to make this possible.

You're claiming something is broken without actually knowing if such a play style was even intended in the first place.

It's very easy to use two oGCDs on classes that have instant weaponskills with a 2.5 GCD. That is, BRD, MCH, DRG and all tanks.. MNK and NINs have reduced GCD timers from GL/Hueton. And considering BRD has a passive that resets their oGCD which is practically free damage on use, on top of the amount of cooldowns and oGCDs they get in comparison, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to pump them out in the most efficient matter in the shortest amount of time to make hte most use out of it (buffs) or to reduce the amount of stacking/waste (bloodletter)

[hallena]

Fire III was not part of your regular rotation outside of using it in umbral III and firestarter. Straight shot for bard is. If I get a straighter shot proc in the middle of my straight shot, I get none of the benefits

Right, but fire I was part of BLM's rotation. Which is what proc firestarter. If you proc'd 2 firestarter in a row, one would go to waste

[Nestama]

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Firestarter has a chance to proc (a free, so slightly different) Fire III after a Fire cast (guaranteed proc if I use Sharpcast). It's a part of my rotation much like how Straight Shot is to you (which you only use to either refresh the buff or when it procs, much like Firestarter). There's also a chance of it double proc'ing like Straight Shot does, so one free Fire III goes to waste, as cancelling a cast = DPS loss.
Thundercloud, while true it didn't proc as much as Bloodletter (unless you applied Thunder to all mobs. 10% chance on, say, 4 mobs = 40%. Rather than 20% when Thundercloud had a 5% chance), it still had a chance at procing at times when you couldn't use it or just as a mob dies, leaving you with a super magic bomb that you can not use... whereas Bloodletter would always be ready to use next time you engaged the enemy.

[RiceisNice]

I meant that in the sense you'd cast fire III and firestarter occurs in the middle of your fire III cast. That technically should never happen because you don't ever hard cast it unless you're in umbral or beginning rotation. We hard cast ss to refresh our buff. If the proc happens there were losing both damage and tp.

[Hontaro]

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Yes, but we might also get a Firestarter proc at the last Fire, while we cast B3 to get into Umbral Ice 3. Then the Fire3 proc would go from 432 Potency to 168 Potency (336 if you Transpose into AF1)