North Thanalan Botting

[Kaedan]

The instant gratification and hyperbole is strong in this OP.

Basically what Lego said. They aren't going to immediately take action against the characters right after you file a report. They have to investigate. If you're wrong and they simply took your word, then they would end up wrongly disciplining a player.

[ihatevnecks]

The instant gratification and hyperbole is strong in this OP.

Basically what Lego said. They aren't going to immediately take action against the characters right after you file a report. They have to investigate. If you're wrong and they simply took your word, then they would end up wrongly disciplining a player.

I'm not sure Saturday > Friday is "right after" really It's not a difficult thing to verify - 5 minutes of seeing the duplicated pathing, not to mention the time active + logged in. We're not talking a few hours/day here, they've been consistently at it day and night, no matter what time it is.

And like Croisciento said, by letting it go for a week (read: over 100 hours per bot) or more, they're only encouraging the behavior.

[Kaedan]

I'm not sure Saturday > Friday is "right after" really It's not a difficult thing to verify - 5 minutes of seeing the duplicated pathing, not to mention the time active + logged in. We're not talking a few hours/day here, they've been consistently at it day and night, no matter what time it is.

And like Croisciento said, by letting it go for a week (read: over 100 hours per bot) or more, they're only encouraging the behavior.

Now multiply that 5 minutes (it's actually more than that) by several thousand. That's a lot of manpower that would be necessary to ban them in a timely manner. They've got a backlog. And they ban people in large chunks every 1-2 weeks. So it's reasonable to think that if you report someone, it probably won't be for 2-4 weeks at the minimum (unless someone reported them before you).

Not to mention that XP botting is a lot, lot lower priority than other forms of botting and RMT.

[Gunspec]

The instant gratification and hyperbole is strong in this OP.

Lord forbid rules be enforced in a timely manner. Considering the punishment only involves a temporary ban, be sure to let cheaters cap all of their classes before they receive a mandatory two week vacation.

[Kaedan]

Lord forbid rules be enforced in a timely manner. Considering the punishment only involves a temporary ban, be sure to let cheaters cap all of their classes before they receive a mandatory two week vacation.

And so you're ok with suddenly not being able to play because someone falsely/mistakenly reported you? I'm pretty sure the first thing you'd do (if your forum account wasn't temp banned as well) would be coming in here screaming about how you were wrongly banned.

See, the issue you have is that you don't see the big picture. Yes, it doesn't take that long to investigate a single bot. But they don't have the manpower to have GMs sitting around N.Than (and other areas) on every server 24/7. So they rely on reports... but those reports have to be verified, which takes time, especially considering they get thousands and thousands of reports.

And while I don't condone/support botting, XP bots aren't hurting you in any way. If they are merely using the bot for leveling (and not spiritbonding), then it's not hurting you or anyone else. It would be no different than if a group of friends rotated on a character so it could be played 24/7.

[Kaze3434]

And so you're ok with suddenly not being able to play because someone falsely/mistakenly reported you? I'm pretty sure the first thing you'd do (if your forum account wasn't temp banned as well) would be coming in here screaming about how you were wrongly banned.

See, the issue you have is that you don't see the big picture. Yes, it doesn't take that long to investigate a single bot. But they don't have the manpower to have GMs sitting around N.Than (and other areas) on every server 24/7. So they rely on reports... but those reports have to be verified, which takes time, especially considering they get thousands and thousands of reports.

And while I don't condone/support botting, XP bots aren't hurting you in any way. If they are merely using the bot for leveling (and not spiritbonding), then it's not hurting you or anyone else. It would be no different than if a group of friends rotated on a character so it could be played 24/7.

except account sharing is against the rules.

[Kit-Kat]

And while I don't condone/support botting, XP bots aren't hurting you in any way. If they are merely using the bot for leveling (and not spiritbonding), then it's not hurting you or anyone else. It would be no different than if a group of friends rotated on a character so it could be played 24/7.

The thing here is morals. If someone doesn't give a flying kweh to openly bot like that, what other things could that person bot. It would be quick to judge, but from experience from past MMOs, if someone has access to a certain tool that will do the job for you, you'll use it for everything possible aswell. And it becomes addictive to the point you get completely used to it and rely on it. "Oh look I need X item to craft that, UGH I should bot it, afterall I already botted before" <-- I actually read these words from other players in other games.

EXP botting itself didn't hurt anyone (in fact, it helped a lot of legit players to clear fates faster). Us, legit players, just get frustrated and jelous that we have to do the boring and long work by ourselves while others don't put effort on it just because we can't get ourselves so low to have to cheat.

[Gunspec]

And so you're ok with suddenly not being able to play because someone falsely/mistakenly reported you? I'm pretty sure the first thing you'd do (if your forum account wasn't temp banned as well) would be coming in here screaming about how you were wrongly banned.

See, the issue you have is that you don't see the big picture. Yes, it doesn't take that long to investigate a single bot. But they don't have the manpower to have GMs sitting around N.Than (and other areas) on every server 24/7. So they rely on reports... but those reports have to be verified, which takes time, especially considering they get thousands and thousands of reports.

And while I don't condone/support botting, XP bots aren't hurting you in any way. If they are merely using the bot for leveling (and not spiritbonding), then it's not hurting you or anyone else. It would be no different than if a group of friends rotated on a character so it could be played 24/7.

SE not having manpower IS the big picture problem. The game has cheaters, botters, hackers, and RMT spam operating more openly than any other subscription based game I have ever seen. And yet, despite "thousands and thousands" of reports, SE has made no effort to expand it's rule enforcement team. Ordinary players are bombarded by RMT spam which could easily be ended if such accounts were immediately terminated. And as for leveling bots, those players ruin the game both mechanically (by forcing fates to scale higher for players not participating) and aesthetically (zones in which players teleport around and attack enemies underground are so life like and pleasing, no?).

Sure, banning someone due to only a single report is wrong. But in a game that has $25 mogstation items, in addition to $15 a month subscription fees and added retainers for $1-$3, there really should be enough staff to investigate cheating in a timely manner. Cheaters basically get a free week before any action is taken by SE staff.

[repoe]

something about this thread for immediate action on reports filed screams medieval mob mentality