Thinking about starting a craft.

[Yeldir]

There is no end-game crafting market at 60. It was abolished by design. Your only viable source of income at 60 is other crafters, and that will disappear when people have their AF and tools, because there is nothing to craft with them. There is an extremely narrow window of time left by which anyone will be "getting rich", and the only means they will be doing so is to make gear for other gatherers and crafters, while there is still a demand for that sort of thing. The current system has a very definite breaking point on the horizon.

[BushWookie]

There is no end-game crafting market at 60. It was abolished by design. Your only viable source of income at 60 is other crafters, and that will disappear when people have their AF and tools, because there is nothing to craft with them. There is an extremely narrow window of time left by which anyone will be "getting rich", and the only means they will be doing so is to make gear for other gatherers and crafters, while there is still a demand for that sort of thing. The current system has a very definite breaking point on the horizon.

Why would you post something like this in a thread where this person is looking to get in to crafting? How very selfish of you. You have zero evidence to support such claims.

Please keep your speculation and fear mongering posts limited to the "err meh gawd red scrips" threads. Not here.

[Yeldir]

Why would you post something like this in a thread where this person is looking to get in to crafting? How very selfish of you. You have zero evidence to support such claims.

Please keep your speculation and fear mongering posts limited to the "err meh gawd red scrips" threads. Not here.

You wot, m8? SE has flat out said stated that crafting for progression is over. This has nothing to do with scrips, and we'd still be well and truly screwed if scrips themselves vanished overnight!

There's two ways to get rich, and I mean really rich, in this game - the first is crafting/gathers for players trying to progress in PVE, who have and will always vastly outnumber the crafting populace, and the second way is crafting for crafters trying to gear themselves out to craft for the former category. The second market is booming at present. The first market, as I've said to you already, was intentionally destroyed by SE.

What part of my claims are you doubting, specifically? They seem incredibly simple to follow, to me. A very short chain of cause and effect.

[BushWookie]

You wot, m8? SE has flat out said stated that crafting for progression is over. This has nothing to do with scrips, and we'd still be well and truly screwed if scrips themselves vanished overnight!

There's two ways to get rich, and I mean really rich, in this game - the first is crafting/gathers for players trying to progress in PVE, who have and will always vastly outnumber the crafting populace, and the second way is crafting for crafters trying to gear themselves out to craft for the former category. The second market is booming at present. The first market, as I've said to you already, was intentionally destroyed by SE.

What part of my claims are you doubting, specifically? They seem incredibly simple to follow, to me. A very short chain of cause and effect.

See but you're acting like 3.5 couldn't change anything. Who's to say there won't be DoW/DoM gear to craft down the line?

[Yeldir]

See but you're acting like 3.5 couldn't change anything. Who's to say there won't be DoW/DoM gear to craft down the line?

SE straight up told us that there would be no more crafts that were competitive with raid gear. They were really displeased by how crafting accelerated coil progression in 2.0. If absolutely necessary, I can hunt down the quote.

What we have now isn't stopgap. It's representative of how they want crafting to be from now on. Anyone saying "maybe it'll get better" is saying "maybe SE will come to their senses". Maybe they won't. It's important to consider how deliberately useless the current craftable PVE gear is at 60. I think it is entirely fair and reasonable to warn new players that things aren't what they used to be, and that they may never be again.