Curious on opinion. Smn or Mch. Which would you pick?

[Greedalox]

I didn't jump straight to quit SMN if you're so bent out of shape after one wouldn't be so bad . I am sorry that "I would agree with your sentiment more..." is too negative. Perfectly functional job, but if we're going to go argue it's OK to not copy from Final Fantasy, let's at least acknowledge SE flagrantly copied from another franchise. It should be apparent SMN's not a snowflake, we're all playing the same job after all.

SMN is a copy to Warlock as much as any video game (and primarily mmo's in general) copy each others ideas. It's referred to as an archetype within the gaming community for a reason. It's like saying Paladin shouldn't be in FF because other games have done sword and board Knight or Holy Warrior. The sooner you get over the fact that no idea or brainchild is as unique as you'd like, the sooner you can realize that Warlock in all it's shining lights is about as original as the SMN you relate it to.

So yes, World of Warcraft was not the first MMO to develop all it's class archtypes, soooo you should probably stop acting like it was. Gaming as a community and industry is built upon each others ideas. SMN and Warlock are similar, not identical.

[Saggo]

SMN is a copy to Warlock as much as any video game (and primarily mmo's in general) copy each others ideas. It's referred to as an archetype within the gaming community for a reason. It's like saying Paladin shouldn't be in FF because other games have done sword and board Knight or Holy Warrior. The sooner you get over the fact that no idea or brainchild is as unique as you'd like, the sooner you can realize that Warlock in all it's shining lights is about as original as the SMN you relate it to.

So yes, World of Warcraft was not the first MMO to develop all it's class archtypes, soooo you should probably stop acting like it was. Gaming as a community and industry is built upon each others ideas. SMN and Warlock are similar, not identical.

Gaming's iterative. Of course it is, a natural progression of storytelling and playthings, all deriving from basic archetypes. I get it. We're all on the same page.

I think you're overselling the ubiquity of DoT-Minion Mages, and in the process putting words in my mouth. Identical, no. Unique little butterflies, no. What there is is a SMN that parallels Warlock enough to be, like I said, flagrant. Recently too.

If we're going to go argue it's OK to not copy from Final Fantasy, let's not ignore that.

[CedricDur]

A DoT class with a DPS minion, tank Minion and HoT minion heal. DoTs with different lengths, some of them really long, which makes keeping them up a constant struggle. The archetypical slow-to-do-damage-but-best-DPS-on-boss-fights.

The only thing lacking to be a complete port is having a HoT baked into one of their DoTs.

I am not saying it is good or bad, just that yeah, it screams WoW Warlock and it is not what I would envision a FF game to be about. That said FF14 is my first FF game (if we disregard FF7).

But other than that I used a summoner to level to 50 so I could pick the Machinist, the class I really was after since I love the magitech classes. After the easy breeze that was having a tank pet that can keep agro and self heals from Arcanist it is hard to get into the Machinist who goes to half HP if two quest mobs spawn, and has to run for her life if two spawn and a open world mob joins in.

Though the OP has made up its mind I leave my opinion here if oth (cont)

[CedricDur]

(cont) ers are following the thread with the same question, and that is that overall (I did not level either to 60) the summoner wins hand down. But, for those nuts like me who like aesthetics (and dislike juggling DoTs, especially with different timers and no addons or bars to help control things) and enjoy the idea of pew pew then pew away.