Every Tank should have dps/tank stance be off-GCD and not reset their combo

[stoxastic]

No one said that making PLD/DRK stances oGCD will break anything. It will objectively be a buff, no matter how you look at it. Would this make them OP? No. Is it necessary? No.

I would also like Defiance healing to be bumped to 25%, and have abilities like Lustrate, Tetra, and Equilibrium to receive healing benefits of Defiance as well. Would this make WAR broken? No. Is it necessary? No.

The point I'm trying to make is that each tank job has their own strengths and weaknesses. Having Oaths and Grit on the GCD is definitely a weakness. So is Defiance not buffing insta-cast healing abilities. I'm not comparing them apples to apples. I'm merely stating that each stance has their own distinct strengths and weaknesses, and that is OK, it's part of the game. I'm just facilitating civil discussion here. SE isn't going to bring them off the GCD at this point, as they don't buff classes unless there is actually a legitimate problem with it.

[Hundred]

Then make warrior stances on GCD and wipe combo...? This does not seem like the right solution.

They're not looking to make the jobs the same.
Going from Shield Oath to Sword and back is 5 seconds.
Dropping Grit and putting it back on is 2.5s.
Going from defiance to deliverance is instant but swapping back takes 10s. Coincidentally they also do not gain mitigation on swap to Defiance.

Warriors have the longest time downtime on a stance but their transition between a stance is instant
Drks have the shortest downtime on a stance swapping, but it costs the most mana.
PLD's are in the middle.

For burn phases the mechanics are largely irrelevant as there is time to swap regardless.
In combat, Drks have little problem dropping their stance, and while it takes them 2.5s they will immediately gain their mitigation upon using it.

It all seems like people losing their shit because Jobs do not all play identically the same, they aren't supposed to and if they did there would be no point in a job system.

[Izsha]

They're not looking to make the jobs the same.
Going from Shield Oath to Sword and back is 5 seconds.
Dropping Grit and putting it back on is 2.5s.
Going from defiance to deliverance is instant but swapping back takes 10s. Coincidentally they also do not gain mitigation on swap to Defiance.

Warriors have the longest time downtime on a stance but their transition between a stance is instant
Drks have the shortest downtime on a stance swapping, but it costs the most mana.
PLD's are in the middle.

For burn phases the mechanics are largely irrelevant as there is time to swap regardless.
In combat, Drks have little problem dropping their stance, and while it takes them 2.5s they will immediately gain their mitigation upon using it.

It all seems like people losing their shit because Jobs do not all play identically the same, they aren't supposed to and if they did there would be no point in a job system.

This guy. This guy gets it.

[Ultimatecalibur]

Then make warrior stances on GCD and wipe combo...? This does not seem like the right solution.

The addition of a +5% accuracy bonus to the Tank stances was likely intended to help prevent MTing in an OT stance in end game content, but Accuracy requirements vs available gear seems to have not been done properly.

[Faytte]

+1

Stance dancing being gcd/combo breaking is incredibly frustrating. It also costs drk and paladins a significant amount of mana, so it being a gcd and breaking a combo is just kicking us harder.

[Dererk]

+1

Stance dancing being gcd/combo breaking is incredibly frustrating. It also costs drk and paladins a significant amount of mana, so it being a gcd and breaking a combo is just kicking us harder.

it breaking a combo isn't the problem id be fine if it did really but having it tied in to weapon skills spells is awfull I'd rather have that so I can get another hit in as the 2nd boss in A1 comes out.

[Twilite]

You people act as if suddenly PLD and DRK went into extinction and everyone went WAR.

[NattyExe]

Stances are a little strange in terms of game design. You'd think in real life, assuming a stance would be nearly instantaneous. For things such as Oaths, Cleric,etc. it would just seem better skill design and less frustrating for them to be off the global cool down. I see them as "styles" as we might see in actual martial arts (or Mortal Kombat, XD ), and having them on the GCD is just counter-intuitive to me. This comment doesn't really get at the notion of everything being homogeneous. I think that is a separate debate, though.

[Arkard]

No.

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[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

No.

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Lol this.
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