With the extremely tight DPS checks MCH/BRD are being discluded from Savage groups

[3Jane]

I think it's 'excluded'

[Hakuohsama]

Well as a main Bard since 2.0 i must say... there are many many BAD Bards out there..

Just a few days ago we had an 2nd Bard in our static and he did 500 dps.. lolz
And the Bard that was in my static before me sucked as well.

I dont understand how people can just do 500 dps with 180 Gear..
Iam 185 now and my ~ DPS is arround 900. Deppends on the fight mostly.

And Mechas are just hated by this community it seems..

[Miiu]

The bard in our static group yesterday in savage pulled his weight just fine. Dunno what you are talking about OP.

[healthetank]

How funny op stopped posting here. Alexander savage clearing with both of these classes without problem. All op did was admit he cant pull 1k deeps.

[otarolgam]

Gotta admit, I've seen an A1S clear with a Bard in it.

Sorry man, your arguments aren't holding water this time.

[OneWingedSora]

What tight DPS checks ?


Also, our MCH who was above 1k pretty much the entire fight(Opressor) would like to have a word with you.

[Zeke_Anderson]

Dropped Faust with a drk, sat and mch on party so.........

[loreleidiangelo]

Dropped Faust with a drk, sat and mch on party so.........

Has anyone actually cleared Oppressor with an AST, though? I'm legit curious about this. Last I checked all our server's clears were with WHM/SCH only.

[OneWingedSora]

Has anyone actually cleared Oppressor with an AST, though? I'm legit curious about this. Last I checked all our server's clears were with WHM/SCH only.

I don't believe Opressor can be cleared with an AST especially with current gear. I would love to be proven wrong.

[Taban]

I think people are confusing "It's possible to clear this" with "Groups are excluding bards because it's a tough dps check and they bring sub-par dps". I'm sure all of your statics can easily do it with 4 bards no problem at all, but the OP's concern is justified. After watching the groups for a few hours last night I don't think it's as widespread as he was afraid it would be. Over the course of the night I only saw 3 groups doing A1 with "no brd/mch" As gear gets better those will probably pass as well, it'll be interesting to see what kind of dps check later turns bring though.