Strength Tanks and You.

[Krylo]

I don't expect any healer to have to put up with myself running sword stance while main tanking the Dinosaur boss in Sohm Ahl ]

But you can swap to DPS stance on that boss when he starts throwing globs to DPS harder in that phase, then pop a CD or two when he stops to get a pseudo tank stance on, and still have DPS stance up to kill the giant green glob before it explodes and DPS stance him some more while he hops around throwing things. When he's done just glance at his HP to decide if you can CD the rest of the fight or if you should go back into tank stance now.

During the glob throwing turning off tank stance shouldn't make any difference to the difficulty the healer has. You're still likely to be a little easier to heal than a DPS if he happens to target you.

The healer is the last person in the group anyone should be pushing to their limit on purpose. They are keeping everyone in the group alive, not just the tank, and their cooldowns are not privy to the same kind of rules as tanks or dps.

Ehhhh, I disagree. When playing tank I don't try to push the healer because, you know, I just want to win, but when I've played healer I've had tanks that purposefully pushed me as I was learning. The most memorable is the guy who did every mob in the swamp of Brayflox normal in 2 or 3 pulls. We had a talk first, he asked how confident I was, suggested he would do huge pulls there and I was like, well, give it a shot. Once or twice he accidentally picked up even more than he meant to.

We lived, it was by the skin of our teeth, but I felt like I learned things as I needed to maximize my every move while maintaining as much MP as possible.

And there are times when a tank tried a larger pull and we died, and I asked them to do it again because I thought I could do better, and they did and we lived. Because I learned.

I guess what I'm trying to say here, is that you shouldn't push other players if you just want to get through it or if they do, but, conversely, there's no class you shouldn't be pushing if they want to learn how to get better. You don't get better by just staying in your comfort zone, healer, tank, or DPS. You need to be pushed. Healer's just the only class that can only be pushed by other people.

[Cousinjimmy]

Harsh reality (DPS) check with the patch today -- savage A1 needs around 7000 DPS to secure a Faust kill -- just to move on to the boss. Suppose all your DPS hits 1250+, you still need to dish out 2000 between tanks and healers.

So all the full vit stackers got a heartily Baka from the devs, hilarious~

Just did an expert roulette today with a full vit war, summoner's if lfrit did more damage than him.

[Reivur]

Or alternatively all it means is they didn't balance Savage Alexander with Law Gear in mind. :P

Just like they didn't balance Bahamut's Coil with Philosophy in mind and the majority of raiders were dead-ended for ages until they became excessively skillful or brought their ilvl up with Mythology.

[Colt47]

But you can swap to DPS stance on that boss when he starts throwing globs to DPS harder in that phase, then pop a CD or two when he stops to get a pseudo tank stance on, and still have DPS stance up to kill the giant green glob before it explodes and DPS stance him some more while he hops around throwing things. When he's done just glance at his HP to decide if you can CD the rest of the fight or if you should go back into tank stance now.

During the glob throwing turning off tank stance shouldn't make any difference to the difficulty the healer has. You're still likely to be a little easier to heal than a DPS if he happens to target you.

Ehhhh, I disagree. When playing tank I don't try to push the healer because, you know, I just want to win, but when I've played healer I've had tanks that purposefully pushed me as I was learning. The most memorable is the guy who did every mob in the swamp of Brayflox normal in 2 or 3 pulls. We had a talk first, he asked how confident I was, suggested he would do huge pulls there and I was like, well, give it a shot. Once or twice he accidentally picked up even more than he meant to.

And that is a perfectly valid time to use sword stance. It's not valid when the boss is just beating on the tank.

As for the second part of your post, there is a difference between consensual testing of yourself and having someone you don't even know completely wing it. A healer doesn't need to be put to the breaking point to learn how to heal right, they just need to be exposed to those unique case situations.

[Gyson]

Harsh reality (DPS) check with the patch today -- savage A1 needs around 7000 DPS to secure a Faust kill -- just to move on to the boss. Suppose all your DPS hits 1250+, you still need to dish out 2000 between tanks and healers.

So all the full vit stackers got a heartily Baka from the devs, hilarious~

If only the developers had added better gear with the release of this pat.. oh wait. They did.

So much for the "heartily Baka".

That aside, reports seem to be ~6500 DPS, with damage roles putting out ~1350-1400 DPS.

That's around 900-1100 DPS that needs to be made up by the tanks and healers. Oh noes.

"Hilarious."

[Tyrial]

If only the developers had added better gear with the release of this pat.. oh wait. They did.

So much for the "heartily Baka".

That aside, reports seem to be ~6500 DPS, with damage roles putting out ~1350-1400 DPS.

That's around 900-1100 DPS that needs to be made up by the tanks and healers. Oh noes.

"Hilarious."

Sure, if you plan to wait 4-5 weeks...

[Peekachu33]

Sure, if you plan to wait 4-5 weeks...

Savage content is balanced around i190/i200 geared parties. That's why esoterics were released today. It's not meant to be done in i160 greens. People who clear the hardest raid content on release day are the exception, not the rule. So grats on world firsts and such, but seriously chill on your expectations for everyone else. There's nothing wrong with VIT tanks running raid content. Both sides of the argument have been thrown about like so much mud in this thread. And if Yoshi and the dev team wants everyone to be super-leet and clearing raid content on day 1, then I'm sure that the team will start slapping STR on all the Fending gear. Until then, parsers be damned, that's not how the development team sees tanks as being geared for clearing content at the pace they have determined to be acceptable. They have metrics, too, for measuring retention and clear rates, death ratios, damage reduction, and all sorts of other figures that go far more in depth than the parsers run on the users end. To think otherswise is slightly entitled and hubristic.

If any of you have followed DCUO, you'd know how absolutely toxic a dps-go-go-go attitude can be to the community and the development of a game. That game is an absolute husk of itself with a community that gives EVE a run for its money. Play the game pleasantly, and if you don't like how others play, stay in group with likeminded folks.

[Tyrial]

So much angst.

Did I push a button? lol You're attacking me and making assumptions as to the type of person I am and how I play based on posts I've made on the forums. You don't play with me, don't judge me. Not once in any post I've made have I intentionally attacked anyone, I've simply defended my opinion that there is a time and a place for STR/Hybrid tanks and it's completely foolish to imply (as so many have) that VIT is the only way to play a tank.

[Peekachu33]

FROTHING RAGE

Is this parody? You're the one acting like a complete spazoid. I'm not using exclamation points or CAPS--there's nothing in my diction to indicate a state of anxiety. My reply was in general to the entirely of this excessively long and circular thread. It wasn't an attack at all, it wasnt even really directed at you, only at the snippet that you posted. But judging from your reaction, you're probably the type that looks under your bed at night for ninjas or w/e. My point still stands though, that the game is designed one way and certain players are playing it another. That's fine, and yet it's not how the game was designed. Have a lovely night, and do try to calm down.

[Souyo]

Is this parody? You're the one acting like a complete spazoid. I'm not using exclamation points or CAPS--there's nothing in my diction to indicate a state of anxiety. My reply was in general to the entirely of this excessively long and circular thread. It wasn't an attack at all, it wasnt even really directed at you, only at the snippet that you posted. But judging from your reaction, you're probably the type that looks under your bed at night for ninjas or w/e. My point still stands though, that the game is designed one way and certain players are playing it another. That's fine, and yet it's not how the game was designed. Have a lovely night, and do try to calm down.

I'm a Ninja!