It's time to buff Ninja - Yes it is.

[Kaybye]

This is not really a complaint thread but I know it will be viewed as such.

Ninja is the worst melee at single target DPS (arguably), and clearly the worst DPS in the game at AoE.

DRGs come on here and complain and they get nice buffs/QOL changes. It's time our voices were heard.

Proposed changes: Duality allows crit hits and also works with Death Blossom. Dream Within a Dream needs its potency increased to 150.

These two changes would go a long way in making Ninja more competitive.

[Arkenne]

Ninja... not competitive??

[Saito_S]

I haven't heard or seen anything, either here on these forums or elsewhere, suggesting that there is any kind of widespread opinion that NIN is "not competitive", i.e. people not wanting it for raids and such. I'm not yet into 3.0 (with any class), but I have taken Ninja to 51 so far, and the only change I feel is needed is addressing mudra lag (the only suggestion as to HOW to deal with it that I've seen that seems truly viable is making mudra inputs client side). That would be a DPS boost, as it would prevent us from having to slow down our inputs to account for the lag, but the more important aspect of it, I feel, is as a QoL boost, since it would simply restore Ninja to what it was obviously intended to be, play-style wise. Even with the lag it's still a blast to play, though I'm fortunate that my connection is good enough that I don't have to deal with the lag too much, so I can imagine it can be more of a detriment to those who get hit by it harder. It really should be fixed.

But mudra lag aside, I think Ninja is fine.

[Greedalox]

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I hate to be THAT guy, but seeing as you're not yet 60 which is where the competitive value of a class tends to be measured, you haven't much experience on it.

[Saito_S]

I hate to be THAT guy

Then don't be? It's both pointless and douchy to assert that anyone who hasn't hit the level cap and done EVERYTHING in the game should stay silent on issues of class balance. Especially since I explicitly qualified my opinion by acknowledging ahead of time that I'm not into 3.0 content yet.

EDIT: plus the OP also included conversations about NIN being weak, conversations on the forums. i.e. "DRGs can come here and complain and get buffs" and "it's time our voices were heard." Well, I addressed that in my post too: where are these voices? Where are the people talking about NIN being too weak or uncompetitive? I don't need to be level 60 to comment on that, either.

[Greedalox]

Then don't be? It's both pointless and douchy...

That's the funny thing. It's pointless to give inexperienced knowledge. You don't need to be hyper defensive, was just claiming that perhaps many of the problems that OP personally sees don't become evident to someone who doesn't have access to all the tools necessary to make a fully rounded claim. It's essentially like that thread where the 28 rogue wasn't happy with how ninja played. He didn't have a full idea, and neither do you.

Besides, I was only targeting your claim on Ninja's only problem being Mudra lag. I don't know whether or not this is true, it's why I came to this thread. What I am saying is that if at 51 your only problem is Mudra lag, then you might not have encountered 52+ Ninja problems.

[Dante_V]

That's the funny thing. It's pointless to give inexperienced knowledge. You don't need to be hyper defensive, was just claiming that perhaps many of the problems that OP personally sees don't become evident to someone who doesn't have access to all the tools necessary to make a fully rounded claim.

Besides, I was only targeting your claim on Ninja's only problem being Mudra lag. I don't know whether or not this is true, it's why I came to this thread. What I am saying is that if at 51 your only problem is Mudra lag, then you might not have encountered 52+ Ninja problems.

I've played ninja since release, am 60, have defeated bis ex, ravana, the coils, Alexander, (currently in savage) and every other ex primal with this class. The job is competitive. The only real gripe to made is with the mudra lag which can lower the dps of the class substantially in some cases. I agree with what she is saying.

[FeiXue]

Then don't be? It's both pointless and douchy to assert that anyone who hasn't hit the level cap and done EVERYTHING in the game should stay silent on issues of class balance. Especially since I explicitly qualified my opinion by acknowledging ahead of time that I'm not into 3.0 content yet.

EDIT: plus the OP also included conversations about NIN being weak, conversations on the forums. i.e. "DRGs can come here and complain and get buffs" and "it's time our voices were heard." Well, I addressed that in my post too: where are these voices? Where are the people talking about NIN being too weak or uncompetitive? I don't need to be level 60 to comment on that, either.

The point is that you're full of shit. You have no idea of how the new abilities work if you haven't gotten it to 60. As for the lack of other voices, I can agree, but don't talk like you know a class inside and out if you've only gotten one level into the expac lol.

[Leonus]

The point is that you're full of shit. You have no idea of how the new abilities work if you haven't gotten it to 60. As for the lack of other voices, I can agree, but don't talk like you know a class inside and out if you've only gotten one level into the expac lol.

The thing is, none of the abilities that nin got change the say the class is played and anyone who mained (well, competent people) nin can basically read up on the abilities understand what they'll do at 60. Hell, i went back to drg for HW because the nin abilities looked boring in camparison to drg and mnk (59 NIN btw). But because i understand nin, and can read tool tips i have known how to use every ability that i have gotten ahead of time.

As a matter of fact, people knew what to do with nins abilities when they were released just before HW, with the exception of duality because we werent sure if it applied to all ws for 10 seconds or just one during that 10 seconds. Once we knew, we all thought it to be kind of lackluster (which sealed the deal for me goimg back to maining drg.)

So, no, you dont need to be 60 nin to be able to chime in if you understood nin at 50, atleast not with the abilities that we recieved for this expansion.

[Whiteroom]

I thought NIN was right up there with DRG, if done properly.