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  1. #11
    Player
    Paka's Avatar
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    Paw Croksmash
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 60
    Vertical progression.
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  2. #12
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    adn's Avatar
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    Zao Gongen
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 63
    I see people talking about being "gimped" and having "trash gear", but like 90% of the current content is a pushover even in 170~190 ilvl gear. If you don't plan on doing Savage what is the big rush to get 210 gear? So you can farm Ravana EM faster?

    And if you ARE doing Savage you're going to be getting plenty of gear and Esoterics will only help you outfit your side jobs...
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  3. #13
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    Kiteless's Avatar
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    Bluethroat Cantus
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    Mateus
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 89
    I do salivate at the idea of being able to play more than one class...
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  4. #14
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    Welsper59's Avatar
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    Eros Maxima
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by adn View Post
    I see people talking about being "gimped" and having "trash gear", but like 90% of the current content is a pushover even in 170~190 ilvl gear. If you don't plan on doing Savage what is the big rush to get 210 gear? So you can farm Ravana EM faster?

    And if you ARE doing Savage you're going to be getting plenty of gear and Esoterics will only help you outfit your side jobs...
    You're spouting the same argument that goes relatively uncontested lol. The normal response is that people don't like the idea of their other jobs being kept gimped while their main is still acquiring gear. That, combined with the "I don't mind gear/tome caps" comments by the same people, makes one question life lol.
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  5. #15
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    Ultimatecalibur's Avatar
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    Kakita Ucalibur
    World
    Siren
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Obysuca View Post
    ^ All of this. This also applies to content they push out too. If you only play like 3-4 hours a week, then sure, it's fine, but a good portion of us play for 5+ hours a day, so with low tome cap (done in a day) and not much variety in content, there's just not enough to keep people paying, which should be SE's goal. Seeing how people are lazy and most likely won't do alex normal/savage and instead go for the easy i200/i210 from tomes, we actually have less content now than we did a week ago.
    Where are you getting 450 will be gained in a day? All we know on esoterics gain rate is that we can gain a total of 70 (50 if you avoid PvP) from doing your daily roulettes. Amounts per run from the level 60 duties are unknown.
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  6. #16
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    Alaina's Avatar
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    Character
    Alaina Claire
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Rogue Lv 71
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  7. #17
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    Klamor's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Klamor Oli
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Alaina View Post
    Priceless
    /10char
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  8. #18
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    Kaedan's Avatar
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    Character
    Kaedan Burkhardt
    World
    Atomos
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    What did you expect? They were quite clearly following the same pattern as all their tokens. Just be glad we aren't capped at 300 tomes a week anymore. 450 is a godsend. And seriously, your suggestion is just a slippery slope... first you ask for 500, then if you got it, you'd ask for 550, then 600, etc, etc.

    The issue with using Law prices is that SE only benefits from people with multiple jobs in that case. People who only have their main and don't play anything else will be finished in 3-4 weeks, meaning one month sub and they're done. They unsub and move on to the next game until the next update. Whereas if they leave it with the old prices, those people have to pay at least 3 months of sub to max out their main before they unsub.

    The people with more than one max level job are usually the more diehard fans that will be paying monthly for long periods regardless.
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  9. #19
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    razzgrizz3's Avatar
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    Character
    Depravicus Mana
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 19
    i cannot believe they expect me to grind my balls off AGAIN on the same two dungeons.
    could have at least released new ones...
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  10. #20
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    AsteriaStarfall's Avatar
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    Character
    Lena Oxton
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    Unfortunately i never understand these arguments. It is meant as a grind, so you keep playing. I for one wonder why people play, gear in a month, then unsub for 2-3 months until the next content patch. That money spent to earn gear, but then never do anything with it just baffles me.
    Gear your main, go complete the daily roulette and dungeons with your high ilvl main, farm the tomes, then use them to gear your alts, when alts are sufficiently geared, start taking them into the new content. Seems like a well designed system. You focus on getting one class geared (your main) then use it to supplement gearing of the alt classes.

    FYI, almost every game does this. WoW did this, but then added in where the gear stats change depending on your spec, but then again you can only be one class, with two different specs. So you could gear your DPS paladin, and then switching to holy (healing) the stats would change from strength to intellect. But that didn't mean that the secondary stats were the best for that spec either.
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    Last edited by AsteriaStarfall; 07-21-2015 at 06:16 PM.

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