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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiselia View Post
    Whiny person
    I did read everything you said, and I didn't find a viable complain, everything you said is not an issue, it's the Bard new playstyle.
    Either you like it or not, SE designed it like that and won't probably go back.

    I know a lot of good Bards and the only complain they had is the auto-attacks > WM when HW was released, but they fixed it and those Bards are totally fine with the changes and can play their job perfectly.
    Ones who didn't like the new playstyle just switched to another classes and moved on, they don't complain about it, they just don't like it anymore and THAT is totally understable.

    All your complains are not "bugs" nor "issues" only the Bard new gameplay, some people like it, some don't and if they don't like it that's totally fine, there are a lot of other classes.

    And I'm not the only one saying it, but apparently you can't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AiiroOkami View Post
    I did read everything you said, and I didn't find a viable complain, everything you said is not an issue, it's the Bard new playstyle.
    Either you like it or not, SE designed it like that and won't probably go back.

    I know a lot of good Bards and the only complain they had is the auto-attacks > WM when HW was released, but they fixed it and those Bards are totally fine with the changes and can play their job perfectly.
    Ones who didn't like the new playstyle just switched to another classes and moved on, they don't complain about it, they just don't like it anymore and THAT is totally understable.

    All your complains are not "bugs" nor "issues" only the Bard new gameplay, some people like it, some don't and if they don't like it that's totally fine, there are a lot of other classes.

    And I'm not the only one saying it, but apparently you can't get it.
    I dont think they realize that brd dps is fine, and that the rotation is fine. When those two things are true then its user error, so they wont admit they cant play the class like those people who have no issue with it and do fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AiiroOkami View Post
    I did read everything you said
    Then summarize it.

    It shouldn't be that hard if you read everything. There's a few things that stick out in common, actually.

    "I read it and you're wrong" isn't a summary.

    And you can skip the personal attacks. I honestly don't care if you think I'm whining because I don't believe you've even read even a single one of my actual complaints about the new Bard style, much less all of them. And I don't care if you think I'm incompetent because you've never played with me, so I know what I'm capable of a lot better than you. So if you can kind of stay relevant to the actual subject, that'd be nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tila View Post
    I dont think they realize that brd dps is fine, and that the rotation is fine.
    I don't think you realize that I'm not talking about Bard DPS, and I don't think you realize that the more you mention a rotation in respect to Bards, the less it looks like you know anything about Bards.

    Bards aren't built around rotations. They're built around reactions.
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiselia View Post
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    I have both MCH and BRD at 60 and ilvl185. WM/GB are just fine, SE just needs to clean up the flow of the abilities in BRD to make it feel less clunky. Right now GB feels natural to MCH's play style and abilities while WM feels tacked onto the BRD. BRD just needs some quality of life adjustments to make the flow of the job feel better. In general, I think WM/GB are great systems and they do not impede on mobility as many people want to lead you to believe. Its still easy to move around and be efficient at DPS at the same time. They are not going away, so people should really get use to it or offer criticism on how WM/GB itself can be improved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    SE just needs to clean up the flow of the abilities in BRD to make it feel less clunky.
    Which is what my complaints about it are based around, as I don't have any problems with the amount of damage that can be put out (yet). I've even stated specifically that the cast times themselves aren't the problem, but the way the cast times were just slapped onto a class specifically designed not to have them.

    For some reason, people ignorantly assume that because someone doesn't like WM, it means they're talking about damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiselia View Post
    Which is what my complaints about it are based around, as I don't have any problems with the amount of damage that can be put out (yet). I've even stated specifically that the cast times themselves aren't the problem, but the way the cast times were just slapped onto a class specifically designed not to have them.

    For some reason, people ignorantly assume that because someone doesn't like WM, it means they're talking about damage.
    WM not feeling natural on BRD is a valid complaint. Just saying this in general, WM in no way needs to go away, it just needs tweaking in the quality of life department, not necessarily a damage boost or decrease. Its actually quite the difference if you play MCH and BRD. GB on MCH really feels like (and likely was) built from the ground up, so it feels natural to have it. I simply don't feel the same about BRD in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I simply don't feel the same about BRD in that regard.
    I actually wonder how much novelty vs. routine plays into the perception too, honestly.

    Like, as someone who mained a Bard for a couple years, you learn how to maximize your DPS by reacting to procs asap and how to properly weave things as much as possible. As a result, it feels like you're slacking if you watch a BL proc go by unused because you were too busy casting, or starting a straight shot cast the split second before Straighter Shot procs.

    For someone who's not mained it and is just casually leveling it, they haven't had that time to really get stuck into the idea of how important it was to capitalize on BL/SS procs when they happen and as they happen, so going through to WM, they might not feel the same if, for example, they see BL procs get wasted while they're casting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiselia View Post
    Then summarize it.

    It shouldn't be that hard if you read everything. There's a few things that stick out in common, actually.

    "I read it and you're wrong" isn't a summary.

    And you can skip the personal attacks. I honestly don't care if you think I'm whining because I don't believe you've even read even a single one of my actual complaints about the new Bard style, much less all of them. And I don't care if you think I'm incompetent because you've never played with me, so I know what I'm capable of a lot better than you. So if you can kind of stay relevant to the actual subject, that'd be nice.



    I don't think you realize that I'm not talking about Bard DPS, and I don't think you realize that the more you mention a rotation in respect to Bards, the less it looks like you know anything about Bards.

    Bards aren't built around rotations. They're built around reactions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aiselia View Post
    *Whining intensifies*
    You're asking me this because you don't even have any ideas what you said in your previous posts, don't you ?
    What I read was "I can't move like I used to" : You don't need to move all the time, staying still is fine and you can still move while not wasting GCD skills, you're not even close to a caster in that regard.
    "It feels clunky" : Actually the job is way more exciting now. Before, the rotation was boring, do the same thing, refresh and use some skills when it proced, now you have to see if it procs, use it really fast, you have other skills to care about etc. (Maybe I'm just the kind of guy who likes to play complex classes, I don't know)

    All your complains are just what YOU feel about the job, so they are not issues, just things you don't like therefore not valid for a buff or anything. Like I said, you don't like it, don't play it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AiiroOkami View Post
    Actually the job is way more exciting now. Before, the rotation was boring, do the same thing, refresh and use some skills when it proced, now you have to see if it procs, use it really fast, you have other skills to care about etc. (Maybe I'm just the kind of guy who likes to play complex classes, I don't know)
    As a former full-time bard main, I'd attest that your overall rotation (or priority list, whatever) remains the same during WM, and you have more or less the same buttons to press (you gain sidewinder, empyreal arrow and iron jaws, but you have one less dot to constantly reapply).

    The bolded parts, you can't use those skills in the middle of casting, and the procs, both bloodletter resets and straighter shot can occur in the middle of your cast, especially the latter because of the shoddy hit detection delay. It's not complex; I'm not even keeping an eye on more things I had to before 2.0. The difference is that I'm looking at it reset and I can't do anything to use it immediately and potentially watch me get a double proc, wasting the first one.
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