Naoki Yoshida, Balance the game please [War DPS TOO HIGH!]

[Phoenicia]

I'll preface by saying I don't want war nerfed. I think though the slashing debuff is a source of problems. It leads to the disparity in parses, but war is the only class that can apply it permanently and it synergizes with nin and all other tanks. Since you have to select 2 out of the 3 tanks, this slashing debuff, combine with nearly infinite tp means war is almost required in all 8 man parties. At a minimum slashing debuff is affect 2 members of the party, and just get better with each nin. I do think it would help if they allowed nin to permanently apply slashing debuff.

The problem with NIN applying the slashing debuff is that Dancing Edge is the lowest potency combo finisher out of the three options they have (The others being Armor Crush and Aolean Edge being at significantly higher potencies/benefits). On the other hand, Storm's Eye is warrior's second highest combo finisher and no matter how you spin it, BB > SE combos are WAR's highest DPS output.

If you have no WAR, NIN would (And should) apply the debuff permanently.

[Lionheart401]

A job can only do good DPS if another job is in the party? Let me ask and please excuse any ignorance I have, but what do PLD and DRK bring to help improve the WAR? Is WAR always required in a combination for progression DPS checks? This sounds completely balanced to me.

this is how the concept of off tanking works.supporting the main tank. whether its by taking enemies off of the main tank, buffing them up/debuffing enemies , or eating cleaves with them.

[Mattiux]

Slashing debuff isn't unique to WAR.

Here is where the problem lays. The warrior is a self-sufficient class, wich provide to the party a strong 10% debuff to the damage suffered providing by himself for the slashing buff needed.

The Drk on the other hand have problem with a lot of party composition. If you have a DrK in the party instead of a Warrior you are going to face the following issue:
-Without a Ninja, the Tank couple Pld-Drk lose 10% of Dps

-Reprisal is proc based, not 100% uptime and only if you are tanking something with physical damage. So if a switch happen, or you are facing a magic attack you have lost the 10% of mitigation provided by a Warrior with ~100% uptime.

-If you have a MnK in the party, Delirium is totally useless.

-If your party have only 1 meele (witch is the most used static composition) the drk isn't compatible with MnK and Drg.

[Velhart]

Slashing debuff isn't unique to WAR.

You did not answer my question.

this is how the concept of off tanking works.supporting the main tank. whether its by taking enemies off of the main tank, buffing them up/debuffing enemies , or eating cleaves with them.

Is WAR officially declared an off tank? Or was that decided among the community?

[Yorumi]

The problem with NIN applying the slashing debuff is that Dancing Edge is the lowest potency combo finisher

Well that makes sense, but ultimately still leads to the problem of requiring a war. Maybe they should give a slashing debuff to pld and drk too. Basically if you had 3 tanks going for a party slot, and the pld and drk had slightly better gear than the war, it would still be better to take the war in one slot. That just shouldn't really happen. Well anyway learned something new today.

[Hulk_Smash]

Is there a reason nin would expect a war to do it? I'm just kind of shocked that I've not seen them doing it, I always knew they had it but I've seriously not seen nin's keeping that applied.

The first icon you see is the ninja slashing buff.

[Allyrion]

Is there a reason nin would expect a war to do it? I'm just kind of shocked that I've not seen them doing it, I always knew they had it but I've seriously not seen nin's keeping that applied.

The problem with NIN applying the slashing debuff is that Dancing Edge is the lowest potency combo finisher out of the three options they have (The others being Armor Crush and Aolean Edge being at significantly higher potencies/benefits). On the other hand, Storm's Eye is warrior's second highest combo finisher and no matter how you spin it, BB > SE combos are WAR's highest DPS output.

If you have no WAR, NIN would (And should) apply the debuff permanently.

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What Phoenicia said.
It's a fairly significant dps increase if the WAR provides the debuff instead of the NIN, more so than the other way around. It also makes their rotation simpler.
That's why a WAR is expected to keep it up.

But if there's no WAR, they should be keeping it up 100% of the time. Next to keeping up Huton, it's the highest priority for them.
Strange you never met any NINs doing it properly.

The first icon you see is the ninja slashing buff.

Yea, perhaps Yorumi doesn't recognize the icon.

-Without a Ninja, the Tank couple Pld-Drk lose 10% of Dps

-If you have a MnK in the party, Delirium is totally useless.

Well, you should get a NIN if you're running PLD-DRK.

Don't get me wrong, having NIN-WAR is synergy while MNK-DRK clearly doesn't synergize (unless multiple targets). I agree that's not a good thing.
I just mean, it's not weird some comps work better and synergize better than others.
You don't need the comp bonuses to clear content, but if you want them you have options to match the classes

If you don't have a WAR, get a NIN.
Replace the MNK, since you don't need the Dragon Kick and NIN can pull similar dps anyway (not to mention Trick Attack which helps everyone).
If you don't have DRK, you should have a MNK like before.

The only issue is that DRK-MNK should synergize. Delirium should do the Blunt debuff.
Having favored class comps isn't an issue if you have options.

Also double melee has been more popular for quite a while.

[Yorumi]

Yea, perhaps Yorumi doesn't recognize the icon.

I tend to mouse over things to see what they are and I would do that for a new icon if I saw it. My guess is when healing I didn't have time to look, when tanking before 3.0 I was doing war more than pld and so I just flat out missed it in the situations where I was tanking on pld. It also doesn't help that storm's eye only mentioned trick attack, leading to the belief that was their slashing debuff.

[Adventica6]

People think high burst = high total dmg done, which isn't true, some person seen a big felcleave and went screaming to the forums, nothing to see here.

[Phoenicia]

But if there's no WAR, they should be keeping it up 100% of the time. Next to keeping up Huton, it's the highest priority for them.

On the other hand, it irks me when I see a ninja trying their hardest to overwrite my slashing debuff with theirs considering how much DPS he's losing for no actual benefit/loss on my side. (I go out of my way to tell the ninja not to use dancing edge as I already am applying the debuff, but they use it anyways, I guess out of habit).