Strength Tanks and You.

[Asierid]

I can NOT stress this enough.

Tanking is a fun thing for some of us. But not when the Healers are packing Cleric Stance and ignoring the fundamentals of actually Healing and dying a horrible death cause they let the Tank die without the heals to sustain them long enough.

Now, I'm going to say this, I don't pay your Subscription, I'm not going to tell you how to play your Character. However, any amount of consideration toward the people you are playing with will go a long way in making everyone's lives easier.

Remember, Tanks have a pain in the ass job sometimes already, don't make it more difficult...

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Fixed a couple of things there. There are no bosses aside from A4 (currently) that you cannot survive without proper cooldowns in STR gear, which is assuming people use cooldowns at proper times. Just because you get bad players doesn't make the gear set bad, it actually makes things much easier when done correctly on both ends.

Course people get the bads then come complaining without the research, which isn't surprising.

[Odstarva]

Just wait, a load of people are about to tell you how you are wrong forever and they are right.

Because it's impossible that both ways work, right?..


Right...

[lololink]

A strength tank in dungeons won't be a problem if he uses his CD and don't pull all the mobs at a time. More HP won't usually help you survive on trash mobs and easy boss, it's on big boss like EX primals and Alexander where you need HP to survive big hits that it will matter, not on continuous hits.

I'm more concerned about healers waiting for you to lose half your life to start thinking about casting a cure I.

[RyuRoots]

Hurrr I think I'm far more clever than I am

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Fixed a couple of things there. There are no bosses aside from A4 (currently) that you cannot survive without proper cooldowns in STR gear, which is assuming people use cooldowns at proper times. Just because you get bad players doesn't make the gear set bad, it actually makes things much easier when done correctly on both ends.

Course people get the bads then come complaining without the research, which isn't surprising.

And most STR tanks *don't* use those things properly, though if you were smart enough to realize that you wouldn't make such an asinine post.

EDIT: Oh, and of course it's a WAR that posts this. That explains a lot.

[Asierid]

And most STR tanks *don't* use those things properly, though if you were smart enough to realize that you wouldn't make such an asinine post.

"which is assuming people use cooldowns at proper times."

i kan reed gud. - Lieutenant Obvious

[Arrak]

A strength tank in dungeons won't be a problem if he uses his CD and don't pull all the mobs at a time. More HP won't usually help you survive on trash mobs and easy boss, it's on big boss like EX primals and Alexander where you need HP to survive big hits that it will matter, not on continuous hits.

This is actually the exact opposite for me. I VIT set for trash pulls so I can pull more mobs comfortably, then switch to STR for the bosses. STR Bismark, STR Ravana unless I'm solo tanking. The worst thing a tank can do is have only one gear set. Put the sets on your bar, know your group and fight, and be ready to switch to what best fits the situation.

[Sapphic]

This is actually the exact opposite for me. I VIT set for trash pulls so I can pull more mobs comfortably, then switch to STR for the bosses. STR Bismark, STR Ravana unless I'm solo tanking. The worst thing a tank can do is have only one gear set. Put the sets on your bar, know your group and fight, and be ready to switch to what best fits the situation.

This.

And most of the 50 Dungeons, especially as PLD, on bosses it isn't an issue to switch to sword oath and use CDs to mitigate. Albeit, I pretty only do that when the healer is obviously competent, or I go with a friend who is healer.

Those who don't use defensive cooldowns when needed in STR aren't going to magically start to use them in Vit either.

Healers also need to be aware of when tank busters are coming, not just the tank to pop a CD, but the healer to start precasting a heal ready for after the hit lands so the heal lands faster, fights are scripted. Bosses always do X after Y.

[Souyo]

I can NOT stress this enough.

Fixed a couple of things there. There are no bosses aside from A4 (currently) that you cannot survive without proper cooldowns in STR gear, which is assuming people use cooldowns at proper times. Just because you get bad players doesn't make the gear set bad, it actually makes things much easier when done correctly on both ends.

Course people get the bads then come complaining without the research, which isn't surprising.

I'm trying to figure out what research is needed in terms of "I'm gonna use all strength accessories and not burn cool downs."

Also, WAR post. LOL

[Kajukai]

Whenever I ask healers If they'd be fine with me using str accessory on boss, they tell me : I don't mind,less boring for me.
If you are a decent tank (and have a well skilled healer) you should use str accessory on bosses, because 900+ str.

[Eidolon]

Honstly, I don't agree with the OP on the subject.

However, I also don't agree with those who speak against him.

Tanking+Healing is a dynamic. Just like Tanking+DPS'ing is a dynamic. A DPS needs to know their tanks,and hold back in ways appropriate if their tank is undergeared so as not to pull threat.


If you're a tank, and you notice on regular pulls that you have to pop Holmgang or Living Dead constantly, even with your CD's being rotated, then try talking to your healer. Ask them if they're comfortable healing you. Ask them if you feel 'Squishy' and if they say 'yea I'm struggling', put your freaking VIT gear on and take your DPS loss like a man.

If you're a healer, and your tank is full VIT, and you're sitting comfortably casting one spell every 10 seconds to cap them off, throw some DPS in. If you're a healer, and you think your tank is taking some serious spike, ask if there's something you can do to help (Repose is god in some earlier dungouns.)

Tanking is about more than just yourself. Tanking is about coordination with your healer. Just like healing is about coordinating with your tank. Let them know if they're not using their CD's.

Tl;Dr: Both sides look beyond yourself. We're a team.