Straight to the duty finder.

[Niwashi]

Everything that evolves around getting randomly grouped is making people talk a lot less because, why should you?

You should if that's the only way to ever complete the content you queued for.

Nothing but sitting in 1 place, hitting queue, popping in, aoe'ing everything, insult each other a bit for good measure, and leave again all while rolling their face over the keyboard cause stuff dies if you fart in their general direction.

That comes from being face-roll easy, not from being in DF. It's precisely why we need more hard content in DF, where people can't run it like that. (Once it's nerfed to the point of facerolling is when it should be taken out of DF and just made solo. There's no point in being in a group when you're not going to work together with them.)

[Assirra]

You should if that's the only way to ever complete the content you queued for.
That comes from being face-roll easy, not from being in DF. It's precisely why we need more hard content in DF, where people can't run it like that. (Once it's nerfed to the point of facerolling is when it should be taken out of DF and just made solo. There's no point in being in a group when you're not going to work together with them.)

See, the issue here is, you look at the now and not at what this starts.
Let me give you the steps this will take, taken from history so nothing invented at all.

- They will give you all content in DF on day 1
- There will be a crazy amount of whining because the content that was previously puggable, suddenly aint anymore because there will be always someone that messes up. Tried to do t5 pug when it was current content on phase 2 with fireballs? yea won't end well ever.
- Square is forced to either turn back their decision or nerf content hard and they will go for the second
- All content is now designed to be a lot easier from the get go and raiders get bored
- Square will invent a new difficulty designed for raiders (sounds familair? hai savage)
- People will whine they want all the content in DF from the start

And here it loops.
In the end we have multiple different difficulties, 1 face roll easy that most people will do, and as such the average skill will go down.
Because said content is now designed for less skilled people, less talk is involved. and we get to the point i talked about in the end.

[Sapphic]

Thing is, I actually do agree with you here OP, I was just getting the reasoning out there as to why they do not do this with the toughest content in the game.

Another reason against it is lockouts. Coil was put in the DF to coincide with the lockouts being removed. Extremes, maybe, as they are farmable. Raids? Newp.

[FoxyAreku]

Because forming a static and/or playing with friends is too hard.

[Payadopa]

I agree with the OP.

[Kiara1]

I kinda wish they would add EX primals to DF, because when I decide I want to do them (like a week after they are released) PF is full of "XX EX kill, no noobs, bonus = kick"
With DF I can try the trial, learn the strat and then join a kill group.

I HATE studying for a boss by watching videos, so I'd rather go into DF and see what he does and learn, and then i can join those PF groups that wants you to know strat

[Ashkendor]

They can't put Alexander (Savage) straight in the Duty Finder based on how the loot system is done. It has a weekly lockout where you can only get a drop + token once a week; you can still enter after you've cleared as long as you have people that haven't cleared with you, but it impacts the amount of loot that drops at the end. So, walk with me for a moment here. Imagine, if you will, a perfect world where a Duty Finder group is actually able to complete a Floor of Alexander (Savage) upon release (I know it's a stretch since Duty Finder can't even complete hard mode primals some days, but that's why I said 'imagine'). So, you go in there, the stars align, miracles happen, and you walk away with a Duty Finder clear. The only problem is... five of the people in the party have a previous clear so there are no loot chests. The three people that hadn't already cleared get a token but are completely screwed out of even the possibility of a drop until after reset because of the magical randomness of Duty Finder. Better luck next time!

Now that we're done with that particular flight of fancy, let's be honest for a moment here. It's realism time. Even assuming that Alexander (Savage) is no more difficult than FCoB was, you'd still be better off beating your face against a brick wall than queueing for it in Duty Finder with the intent of actually clearing it. Based on clear percentages for previous raids, 90% or more of the playerbase will never clear the entirety of Alexander (Savage). It's aimed at a niche audience. Seriously, people complained that Coil was too hard and asked for a story mode cause lore (admittedly, it was great lore). SE listened and gave us a story mode for Alexander, and the complaints about Savage have already begun. I'm just waiting for the slew of "nerf plz" threads starting Tuesday morning. :/

I kinda wish they would add EX primals to DF, because when I decide I want to do them (like a week after they are released) PF is full of "XX EX kill, no noobs, bonus = kick"
With DF I can try the trial, learn the strat and then join a kill group.

I HATE studying for a boss by watching videos, so I'd rather go into DF and see what he does and learn, and then i can join those PF groups that wants you to know strat

Or you could just make a learning party of your own and find others that want to learn it too.

[DoctorPepper]

While I'd personally love it if they put stuff in the DF right away and left it untouched, I know full well there would be tons of people complaining about the difficulty of said content as soon as they do it.

Once people start complaining about difficulty it's only a matter of time until the nerf hammer drops and a lot of people, myself included, absolutely hate it when they nerf content. If they would leave content alone and ignore the people complaining about difficulty I'd be a lot more supportive of this thread, but I don't think they will based on past experiences.

[Kiara1]

Or you could just make a learning party of your own and find others that want to learn it too.

Duty finder is usually a lot faster than making a PF and when you dont have much playtime you want to go the faster route.
I've tried making learning parties but it usually takes too long so people leave and nothing happens

They can't put Alexander (Savage) straight in the Duty Finder based on how the loot system is done. It has a weekly lockout where you can only get a drop + token once a week; you can still enter after you've cleared as long as you have people that haven't cleared with you, but it impacts the amount of loot that drops at the end. So, walk with me for a moment here. Imagine, if you will, a perfect world where a Duty Finder group is actually able to complete a Floor of Alexander (Savage) upon release (I know it's a stretch since Duty Finder can't even complete hard mode primals some days, but that's why I said 'imagine'). So, you go in there, the stars align, miracles happen, and you walk away with a Duty Finder clear. The only problem is... five of the people in the party have a previous clear so there are no loot chests. The three people that hadn't already cleared get a token but are completely screwed out of even the possibility of a drop until after reset because of the magical randomness of Duty Finder. Better luck next time!

Now that we're done with that particular flight of fancy, let's be honest for a moment here. It's realism time. Even assuming that Alexander (Savage) is no more difficult than FCoB was, you'd still be better off beating your face against a brick wall than queueing for it in Duty Finder with the intent of actually clearing it. Based on clear percentages for previous raids, 90% or more of the playerbase will never clear the entirety of Alexander (Savage). It's aimed at a niche audience. Seriously, people complained that Coil was too hard and asked for a story mode cause lore (admittedly, it was great lore). SE listened and gave us a story mode for Alexander, and the complaints about Savage have already begun. I'm just waiting for the slew of "nerf plz" threads starting Tuesday morning. :/

Why wouldn't there be a loot chest? WoD has weekly lockout on loot and even if you do it when you got your loot there is a loot chest

[dragorian]

Well to be honest Bismarck ex is easy and only available to pre mades and also have restrictions on experience and yet cannot clear them and same can be said for duty finder and I have yet to clear because I am on an lev and its hard to figure nd an static That will let me in since I can only raid on weekends I work m-f 9pm- 6 am and available Sat late afternoon onwards and Sunday as well