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  1. #201
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    Krixus's Avatar
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    Krixus Rayne
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    Famfrit
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    while astro's personal dps is complete garbage and they don't really have the mp to spare on it anyways.
    Once you said this everything you said previously was discredited. Two DoT's unaffected by acc... I can do 650-700 dps atm on a dummy and thats only in i183 gear. While Im sure the other healers do the same/more, doesn't matter, just letting you know to open your brain a little bit and see its not "complete garbage".
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  2. #202
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    Israacf's Avatar
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    Isra Daisy
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    Gilgamesh
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    I've been thinking about Collective Unconscious and I'd be fine if they made it like, if you put it up, you can move and all that, but once you leave the dome, it turns off. Like, you can heal inside and stuff, and it ends once you leave it, or the timer ends. Idk.
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  3. #203
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    Richard Butte
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Israacf View Post
    I've been thinking about Collective Unconscious and I'd be fine if they made it like, if you put it up, you can move and all that, but once you leave the dome, it turns off. Like, you can heal inside and stuff, and it ends once you leave it, or the timer ends. Idk.
    I'd like to be able to move while channeling it.

    A lot of AST's abilities are movement-friendly and it seems like a "mobility healer" would be a good niche to be able to fill.
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  4. #204
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    Parawill's Avatar
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    Spark Joy
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    Synastry is a realistic 50% healing increase on 2 tank fights (almost all of them) making it one of the best healing cds currently in the game
    I won't deny Synastry is a great skill, but it also isn't the best healing CD. Despite it saving 1 GCD every two casts for free, you're not saving GCDs for your main target, but GCDs for another target. Of course there are many situations you can use Synastry, but it's restricted by its lengthy cooldown for only tanks in 8-man content as it's best used when you have both tanks taking damage or when you need to heal both at the same time.

    Essentially what I see this skill as is a wonderful fast way to sustain two targets taking damage. It's sort of like Cure III in a sense... Like when you use Cure III on both tanks taking Ahk Morn. Something like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    Considering the amount of overhealing for whitemage, healing 5 % faster for 5 % less is a buff.
    Overhealing is one of the silliest arguments in my opinion. As long as you're not generating ridiculous amounts of enmity to the point that your resources are running dry and tanks are unable to keep hate, then overheal means nothing aside from extra enmity numbers that people aren't going to care about anyways.

    5% Attack Speed vs. 5% Additional Healing Potency doesn't mean anything when it comes to cooldowns. It's a passive that plays no part in emergency type situations since the effect is so minuscule.

    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    MP is only an issue for bad healers of any class (and has been since 2.0).
    "If you throw mana out the window" was supposed to imply that you should avoid looking at mana costs when looking at emergency situations as you sacrifice resources for potency. In these situations you would forgo using Benefic and jump into Benefic II, despite it costing more resources, so that you can pump out potency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Staris View Post
    We are clearly not a SCH replacement, hell 2 SCH might be ideal for many fights. But easily a better whm for any real progression.
    If you're gauging the current story mode Alexander as end-game content you're going to be in for a surprise. Savage Alexander is supposedly going to be more difficult than FCOB which means it's safe to assume White Mage type heals are going to be welcomed more than ever.

    AST has no way of boosting potencies per GCD which makes them inferior to White Mages in both constant spike damage as Synastry is no Divines Seal. In addition, with heavy AoE damage, Astrologian also has no spells outside to group heal aside from Aspected Helios ticks (which White Mages have), Helios (which White Mages and Scholars can temporarily have) and Diurnal Collective Unconscious which is way weaker than Helios and heals way slower.

    "But Astrologians have Bole and it can be spreaded!" That would be nice if it was not restricted to severe RNG issues (not reliable).

    "But Astrologians have Synastry to heal two targets!" That would be nice if all encounter damage flow was only against two targets and everyone could just tank and spank.

    "But Astrologians aren't White Mages and provide their own DPS and DPS buffs!" Yeah that's nice if in the White Mage & Scholar dynamic, you have the White Mage doing the main bulk of healing while letting Scholars do their insane amounts of healer DPS.

    "But wouldn't that be the same if you just replace White Mages with Astrologians?" No, because now Scholar has to handle the duties of a White Mage to make up your lack of healing and you then "kind-of" take on the role of DPS but dont have the necessary resources to provide reliable mitigation, spike heals and breathing space for the other healer."

    My opinion. Feel free to critique because I can be wrong too.
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    Last edited by Parawill; 07-17-2015 at 11:13 PM. Reason: Grammar.

  5. #205
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    Nihility's Avatar
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    Tenebria Miku
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Krixus View Post
    Once you said this everything you said previously was discredited. Two DoT's unaffected by acc... I can do 650-700 dps atm on a dummy and thats only in i183 gear. While Im sure the other healers do the same/more, doesn't matter, just letting you know to open your brain a little bit and see its not "complete garbage".
    how does that discredit anything?
    have you actually tried dps'ing in a raid or are you just the master of slaying dummies?

    I have all 3 healers at 60 and geared, I get to compare them all through actual experience in raids and I can say with no doubt at all astrologian is the weakest at just about everything by no small margin.
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  6. #206
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    Eraqus Yensid
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Let's wait for 3.05!! Ffxiv Astrologian Reborn!
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  7. #207
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    lordparanoia's Avatar
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    Myss Keta
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    It's a disast...rologian
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  8. #208
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    Eraqus Yensid
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by lordparanoia View Post
    It's a disast...rologian
    LOL this is really funny XD I didn't know that Au Ra does jokes like that!
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  9. #209
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    Kriemhild Drachmann
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    I read an extremely interesting idea earlier:
    What if Synastry was a permanent buff?

    What if it were something you could toss out and leave up indefinitely, or switch targets at will?
    In short, what if AST were a class based around card buffs and synchronicity heals?

    It would certainly go a long way to redeeming their lacklustre heal potency.
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  10. #210
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    Beyondgrave's Avatar
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    Moonest Gainsbourg
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    Malboro
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Glasya View Post
    I read an extremely interesting idea earlier:
    What if Synastry was a permanent buff?

    What if it were something you could toss out and leave up indefinitely, or switch targets at will?
    In short, what if AST were a class based around card buffs and synchronicity heals?

    It would certainly go a long way to redeeming their lacklustre heal potency.
    Too many people would cry op if that were to happen.
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