Who do you think will get the Black mage job? CON or THM

[Wynn]

This is the official statement made by Bayohne back in June:

Spoke to the dev. team to try and wrangle some more details regarding the upcoming job system. The current thinking is to have one job for one class. So for example, if you are a gladiator, the job you could unlock would be paladin, etc. Right now, we can't give any further details about the possibility of having multiple jobs per class.

To try and stave off the coming flood of "So if gladiator becomes paladin, then what will xyz class unlock?" You'll have to stay tuned for more details in the future!

This says that there might be possibility for more than one job per class but currently they are just going with a 1 to 1 ratio. Unless that has changed since June. And, of course, there is no saying it can't change later on down the line too.

[Lerris]

Milvaneth Sacrarium is the Temple of Nald ( life ). As players, thaumaturges join the Arrzaneth Ossuary, which worships Thal (death ).

Black Mage for Thaumaturge would make sense if the quest to gain the job came from the Arrzaneth Ossuary and if the black mage concept was divorced from elemental spells.
White Mage for Thaumaturge would make sense if the quest involves joining the sect worshipping Nald.

Black Mage as elemental Nuker makes sense for Conjurers.

My hope is that conjurers as a class are better healers than thaumaturges as a class, but white mage goes to thaumaturge to allow both mage types to perform in both a healing role and a nuking role.

[Rydin]

This is interesting...
Lost Odyssey (For Xbox 360)... which is indirectly final fantasy-ish, I guess (Developed by the father of Final Fantasy Hironobu Sakaguchi)

And they have:
Black Magic: Elemental attack spells
White Magic: Healing and holy based spells (including the main cures)
And Spirit magic: Which has your debuffs, some attack and magic buffs, shadow magic, no cures.. but regen is there

Sounds to me like Thaum is more of a Spirit Mage... which is completely different than Black AND white magic...

i don't KNOW what SE will do... but I'd like it if Thaum was neither Black nor white

[Wynn]

Pardon me for asking, but what does Sakaguchi have to do with XIV?

[Rydin]

Pardon me for asking, but what does Sakaguchi have to do with XIV?

Jobs are meant to evoke classic final fantasy feelings from familiar classes and roles...

Well who is more "Classic Final Fantasy"

[Tsukino]

Heh, exactly. But on the flipside, the French name for thaumaturge is "Occultiste," or "Occultist," which is often associated with the dark arts--although technically it deals with all sorts of spiritual or unexplainable phenomenons, so I suppose it could go both ways.

Oh yeah, I forget sometimes but the Japanese name for THM is 呪術士. It means something like "sorcerer" but the first character that's used means a curse. Basically like old-fashioned witchcraft.

All the classes in Japanese are based off what they use or wield, to go along with the armory system. Gladiators wield swords so they are called 剣術士 - swordsmen. For the mages, they are considered not to wield weapons but magic, so conjurers are 幻術士 (illusionists) and thaumaturges are 呪術士 (sorcerers/cursemakers).

The English names are somewhat more eclectic; some are named for what they do (lancer, conjurer) but others are named for their guilds (thaumaturge, gladiator). Add to that all the ways they're named in the other localizations and I imagine it's a pretty big headache beyond just the game lore of what the guilds do.

[NoctisUmbra]

Well BLM gear and the fact that he metioned blm and whm as the only mage jobs plus the fact that at the start each class will get only one job plus the fact CON got all the whm spells in 1.18 are all pointing to THM being BLM. (or at the very least CON being WHM) I do not see how THM is BRD but we don't no. none of us has any clue. But there are signs.

However there are zero signs to CON getting 2 jobs at the start or THM being BRD. that does not fit. THM has very few buffs. In fact CON has more. Again we are both just guessing it could be CON getting BLM i don't no thats why i made the thread to ask what the people think.

People seem to thin CON gets BLM and WHm. I hope thats true for all the people who ranked CON. I know lots of people wanted to nuke not heal on that job lol.

I believe CON will get WHM due to the CON only spells that were just put in. And since they definitely said 1 job per class to start and the definitely said BLM is confirmed that leaves BLM for THM. Makes absolutely no sense, but that's what I think is going to happen. I'm sure they are going to completely redesign who gets what spells.

You guys are taking a very skewed approach. Essentially you are making the facts fit what you expect, rather than taking the facts and using them to form a picture.

What we know:

1. When jobs are released, each class will have access to 1 job (7 jobs total)
2. Job names that have been finalized and decided upon are Paladin, Monk, Dragon Knight, Bard, White Mage, Black Mage (6 jobs)
3. Classes will gain access to more jobs in the future, unlocked via quests at specific ranks

What most people did right away is combine the 1st and 2nd fact, presuming that the finalized jobs were to be the first jobs released. There is NO evidence pointing to this connection - in fact they have 6 finalized jobs and 7 classes to give jobs to.

If the finalized job names were not revealed, everyone would logically expect CON to get both WHM and BLM. Not necessarily at the same time, but it makes the most sense. However, since they released 6 jobs names, and 2 were mages, everyone decided to fit the 2 mage jobs with the 2 mage classes. One hole in that is that Bard is also technically a mage job, but that doesn't even matter. The post did NOT say that the finalized jobs were in fact the ones to be released first.

[Chrees]

You guys are taking a very skewed approach. Essentially you are making the facts fit what you expect, rather than taking the facts and using them to form a picture.

What we know:

1. When jobs are released, each class will have access to 1 job (7 jobs total)
2. Job names that have been finalized and decided upon are Paladin, Monk, Dragon Knight, Bard, White Mage, Black Mage (6 jobs)
3. Classes will gain access to more jobs in the future, unlocked via quests at specific ranks

What most people did right away is combine the 1st and 2nd fact, presuming that the finalized jobs were to be the first jobs released. There is NO evidence pointing to this connection - in fact they have 6 finalized jobs and 7 classes to give jobs to.

If the finalized job names were not revealed, everyone would logically expect CON to get both WHM and BLM. Not necessarily at the same time, but it makes the most sense. However, since they released 6 jobs names, and 2 were mages, everyone decided to fit the 2 mage jobs with the 2 mage classes. One hole in that is that Bard is also technically a mage job, but that doesn't even matter. The post did NOT say that the finalized jobs were in fact the ones to be released first.

Thank you! This is exactly what I've been thinking all afternoon.

[KiniRyris]

I thought each class had more then one job... like con could heal or nuke, and glad could tank or DD. i swear i heard that they were starting with one job, then adding more for each class. maybe that got lost

[Coglin]

each class can play more then one role yes. A job on the other hand is like a class specialty or master class.