Please add STR to Fending accessories

[Danko]

Stance dancing was not the main focus of that point. It cannot be argued that tanks come equipped with many DPS tools while main tanking, even when DPS stances are not considered.

VIT lets the healers heal less

VIT does not let healers heal less. In many cases it makes them heal more. VIT drags out fights. VIT causes self heals to be less effective. VIT increases risks of PUG scramble situations with openers from fluctuating burst enmity at the beginning of fights at varying gear levels.

VIT is only helpful for fights that have very high bursts of damage in very short windows of time or really uncertain/severely undergeeared progression territory. I have not yet encountered one in Heavensward that needed a VIT set.

[Eidolon]

I gotta say, I've had this idea on my mind too - namely, that Tanks should recieve both VIT and STR on their gear, but a lesser amount of STR than their VIT counterpart.


In this way, you would create a dynamic where a DPS wouldn't take the Tank accessories by virtue of the fact that it wouldn't be as effective as stacking their right-side with STR accessories. I was honestly REALLY HOPEFUL SE would notice this issue and change it because I find it absolutely rediculous that tanks, if they want to be the best, will be required to drop millions in gil every couple of content patches just to keep up.

If SE Wants to move away from crafting being BiS, they need to remove the accessories so easily outclassing their raid gear.

I don't think it's too rediculous to say have it be VIT stat at current levels, and give it a STR stat at the level of 20 item levels previous (Basically, have the STR equal to what you could get off of a crafted accessory.) This would keep it so that STR gear is still easily stronger, and if you can afford to do it? Do it.

[Zfz]

Anytime you have overheal, VIT would have turned that overheal into HP. Meaning after the next hit, you are left with more HP, meaning the healer needs to heal you less. Unless your healers never ever have any overheal. VIT also makes self-heals more effective through the same mechanism.

Going from VIT to STR has a double sided effect. Your HP decreases, causing more heals and self-heals to end up as overheals, but your self-heals are more potent. Conversely, going from STR to VIT makes your self-heals weaker, but more of that self-heal are useful (not wasted). If most of your self-heals are overheals, then you are deriving zero benefit from the extra self-heals. If most of the heals that land on you are not overheals, then you are deriving zero benefit from the extra "pre-charged HP".

One can also argue that with less STR, it increases the risks of PUG healers doing knee-jerk reactions healing you more and wasting healing cooldowns, by healing you more intently, most of your self-heals are wasted (end up as overheal).

I think the lesson is that VIT and STR, by nature of being a trade-off, have their benefits and faults tied together as a set. Stacking STR isn't all absolute benefits.

And the argument that "you don't need those VIT benefits unless you're bad" is equally applicable to all STR benefits.

If SE Wants to move away from crafting being BiS, they need to remove the accessories so easily outclassing their raid gear.

I'm not sure they even know where they want the crafted gear. Unless the whole idea of "overmelded 150 is better than any 190" itself is born out of wrong assumptions/calculations about the stat values and SE is secretly chuckling at all the mistakes people are making.

Or, more likely, 3.0 gear itemization is balanced with the Esoterics gear in consideration. We're only seeing the value of the 150 melds because we don't see the Esoterics gear. Once that and AlexS gear is out, they most likely will outperform the 150 melds by so much that a mix of VIT and STR accessories from Esoterics is better than a full set of 150 melds in every way.

Or...there may be like 170 accessories that when overmelded give us the same situation again.

Back on a more fundamental level, healers don't have to exchange healing potency for dps. I wonder why tanks have to exchange survival stats for dps. Tank attack potency, self-heals, damage shields, parry mitigation etc should all scale off VIT. The real stat game should be with secondary stats, not with primary stats.

[Kiteless]

i just go 3 slaying and 2 fending pieces
works fine so far

I actually quite like this loadout, and sport it for most PUGs. Keeps the damage numbers and self heals nice and high, but still gives you decently large HP buffer in case stuff goes wrong or I don't trust my healers.

[Pavise]

Why not just have the Primary stat + Vit on all accessories? Keep the secondaries as they are since they're balancing encounters after tanks going full strength anyway....

[Kyros]

I've had Melded Crafted Accessories since T5 was a thing. Back then I still held on to my VIT accessories as they'd be useful from time to time.

But now? No point. I don't ever upgrade anything on the right. I craft/buy/meld the newest set of Melded crafted accessories and call it a day. And you know what? It's kind of boring. I get excited whenever they add new crafting recipes and accessories are there because it means I finally get to upgrade my pieces, because there is no point in buying any of the Fending or Slaying accessories once you have your Melds unless you are just looking into spending excess tomes. I didn't bought a single Fending anything for FCoB - My i90 melds where better, and then my i110 completly blew them out of the water.

Right now in 3.0, I had a full set of i150 Pentamelds 2 hours after hitting 60, to replace my i110 Pentamelds that where still better than mix-matching i170/i180 tome accessories. Yes, i110 Melds where stronger than a mix-matched i170 set, it's that bad.

And now unless they add another set of crafted accessories, this i150 set will probably last until the next iLvl jump.

So, yeah. I say this as a GSM, they really need to start adding STR to tank accs. I love making money out of GSM but right now the situation is completly silly, there is absolutely no point in getting Tank accesories with Crafted melds around, even with a 50+ iLvl gap

[Aeyis]

VIT is only helpful for fights that have very high bursts of damage in very short windows of time or really uncertain/severely undergeeared progression territory. I have not yet encountered one in Heavensward that needed a VIT set.
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Tanks might like to think so, but they arent the only ones taking damage in a fight. More health on tanks means healers have more time to heal others.

[Felessan]

That STR tank is just trying to do his part to make life easier for you. You're welcome

If tanks will get both STR and VIT on their accessory - what will be the point of getting DPS into when you can have WAR with 20+k hp that do just slightly less damage than typical DPS?
Now tanks forced to choose - whether they are almost as squishy as any other melee dps with almost the same dps, or they tank with tank hp and low dps.

VIT does not let healers heal less. In many cases it makes them heal more. VIT drags out fights. VIT causes self heals to be less effective. VIT increases risks of PUG scramble situations with openers from fluctuating burst enmity at the beginning of fights at varying gear levels.

VIT allows healers to heal in more relaxed way because "time to die" increases.
The typical example is speedruns. It was kinda hard to do a full pack pull with 5k tank because he simply could be oneshotted if things went the worng way. 13k hp tank is a whole another story.
And healers can burst heal too, the more hp you have, the higher efficiency will be in burst healing. Classical example is a Benediction and it heals more when you have more hp.

[Sapphic]

Anytime you have overheal, VIT would have turned that overheal into HP. Meaning after the next hit, you are left with more HP, meaning the healer needs to heal you less. Unless your healers never ever have any overheal. VIT also makes self-heals more effective through the same mechanism.

But you could also say that having more VIT means you require an extra heal to take you to full which could lead to even more over heal.

I actually quite like this loadout, and sport it for most PUGs. Keeps the damage numbers and self heals nice and high, but still gives you decently large HP buffer in case stuff goes wrong or I don't trust my healers.

I go 3 2, the 2 being the 190 and 180 striking rings.

[Zfz]

But you could also say that having more VIT means you require an extra heal to take you to full which could lead to even more over heal.

Which means there should be some communication. If the healer is able to keep up a tank with full STR accessories, then the healer doesn't need to always heal a VIT tank to full. Take the tank over 80% and let Regen or the tank's self-heal do the rest.

People talk about healers using pre-casts and stuff, saying a good healer has no problem healing full STR acc. tank, why does that healer all of the sudden feel the compulsion to heal extra and play less efficiently? It sounds a lot like a double standard. VIT tanks will always play with a bad healer. STR tanks will always play with a good healer. Hence VIT makes the raid fail?