I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Wavaryen]

Huh a lot of the threads got deleted? *shrugs* Well keep at it bards.

[Mhikail]

Huh a lot of the threads got deleted? *shrugs* Well keep at it bards.

Yes because Bard's are parroting the same thing for days on end, and it's spam and some of you Bard's go beyond and above then insult people.
All your talk should be placed here. They could at least merge posts but like I said...guys are saying the same things are are insulting others too much.

[Vespar]

Yes because Bard's are parroting the same thing for days on end, and it's spam and some of you Bard's go beyond and above then insult people.
All your talk should be placed here. They could at least merge posts but like I said...guys are saying the same things are are insulting others too much.

Most folks just want to be heard and see some results so they take to the forums, because the answers we have been given are not good enough, and the only way they'll see change is if they continue to voice their concerns.
That being said, coming in here to just tell Bards to get good or gtfo is not really a valid piece of feedback, nor is it polite, and that statement alone has caused tempers to flare and left bard's with valid concerns feeling insulted with no where else to voice their concerns.

[Wavaryen]

Yes because Bard's are parroting the same thing for days on end, and it's spam and some of you Bard's go beyond and above then insult people.
All your talk should be placed here. They could at least merge posts but like I said...guys are saying the same things are are insulting others too much.

I see it more on people telling others learn 2 play, and hating on people because they don't like the play style. Some of the threads are showing some posts developers made, asking what role bards are since they said one thing than another. I agree it is a endless cycle, but that is the nature of the beast.

[AdamFyi]

That being said, coming in here to just tell Bards to get good or gtfo is not really a valid piece of feedback, nor is it polite, and that statement alone has caused tempers to flare and left bard's with valid concerns feeling insulted with no where else to voice their concerns.

To be fair, all this talk about Bards can get generally annoying especially when it's being bombarded almost everywhere. I don't blame anyone for getting annoyed by it. It does get kind of annoying at times. Nonetheless, there were a few instances where some players in this topic who act strongly against Minuet started insulting the other forum members. So you can't really say that it's one-sided and pretend like it never happened.

[Vespar]

To be fair, all this talk about Bards can get generally annoying especially when it's being bombarded almost everywhere. I don't blame anyone for getting annoyed by it. It does get kind of annoying at times. Nonetheless, there were a few instances where some players in this topic who act strongly against Minuet started insulting the other forum members. So you can't really say that it's one-sided and pretend like it never happened.

Personally, these people who find it annoying don't have to come in here and read these threads they can skip past it or ignore it. I do that with threads that dont apply to me....
The only thing I find annoying in these threads, is the ignorance of those who dont play the job telling everyone else to get over it. Thats about it.

[Nestama]

I've played the Job all the way to 60 (and did Bismark EX briefly on it... i160 is definitely too low, but I was requested for the support) and have no issues with it. If a fight requires a lot of movement during a certain part, I turn it off. If there's no movement required at certain points, then I turn it on.
BRD will never be my main (unless I'm requested to play it), but I have played it enough to know the ins and outs (and it's why I get bothered when people say it plays out like a caster. Sure, you have a charge bar, but 1.2-5 seconds honestly isn't that big of a deal. Were it a full 2-2.5 second cast, then I'd agree that it's unacceptable).

[Reinha]

Unless you were a hyperactive rabbit, you shouldn't even really notice a difference.
. . .
Again, there really wasn't any playstyle change unless you constantly ran around like a hyperactive bunny for no real reason at all.

What's wrong with running around? You mention it twice as if it's something negative. It's the same as getting annoyed by how others dress their character, which voice option they picked or other insignificant things. Why would it bother you so much?

I used to run around on my bard because it was fun and didn't lower my damage. This game is so bloody slooooooooow and booooooooooooooring if I just sit there watching the cast bar or cooldown take foreeeeeeever. This viewpoint is directly related to my gaming history. I also run around the target as a melee and as a summoner during Ruin II (whilst weaving oGCD), Bio and Miasma II. As a BLM I jump around during procs. I also do it as a healer when there's nothing to heal and I cba to dps. As a tank I jump in place and during the initial pulls I do 360 spins in the air while Flashing. You know what this requires of me? A little flinch of my finger on the keyboard. Calling it "hyperactive" really is the ultimate exaggeration, considering people are able to do it in games that have three times the tempo of this one.

INB4 "these kids nowadays have such a short attention span"
INB4 "jumping makes the player play poorly, like missing AAs or taking more damage"
INB4 "anyone who has that movement habits originating from fast games must be a kid because fast games are kids' games"
INB4 other projection of own poor skills or lack of experience of faster games

I think it's silly and immature, but it doesn't bother me.

Hahahaha flicking a thumb off the space button is now immature. I actually chuckled irl .

[Wavaryen]

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It plays like a caster to people. Not sure why that bothers you. Caster bar=caster game play. It is also super clunky with procs.

The problem is that, they say Bard is a support dps. (yes they said it) Yet, outside of raids they don't get to use that strengths.
They said that they take a dps pen for being support. Yet, like above one part of the game, and don't get to use it in others.
Cast bar added even 1.5 seconds is still not a fun game play and it added nothing to the game play. Now we got another class, Mch that is almost the same type (support dps) but with tougher rotation. Why can't they have it and let bards have movement? it is all about play style.

List goes on, and all valid points.

[TheGrimace]

What's wrong with running around? ...

Amen. This is the primary reason why Bard was my main until Ninja came out. I absolutely loved the mobility. It's still there to an extent, but Wanderer's Minuet gives nowhere near the same amount of freedom.