We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[RiceisNice]

Again change. So it is even more apparent that you don't like change. This is evident since really all your complaint is 'shoehorned' when really SE re-optimized it to have cast timers.

Coming from a career bard that's currently level 55, this is a load of chocobo shite. Straighter shots don't even occur until you're half way into your second heavy shot or even straighter shot when you're refreshing it. Sometimes it doesn't even appear even after I use an oGCD right after heavy shot and starting my next heavy shot.

[hallena]

Coming from a career bard that's currently level 55, this is a load of chocobo shite. Straighter shots don't even occur until you're half way into your second heavy shot or even straighter shot when you're refreshing it. Sometimes it doesn't even appear even after I use an oGCD right after heavy shot and starting my next heavy shot.

don't expect any chance. BLM had to deal with that since 2.0. An easy fix would be to allow straighter shot/firestarter to stack twice but apparently they disagree.

[Snowaeth]

don't expect any chance. BLM had to deal with that since 2.0. An easy fix would be to allow straighter shot/firestarter to stack twice but apparently they disagree.

The thing with BRD is.
Bards get a double dose of this basically with Bloodletter proc's and Straight Shot proc's.

Bloodletter being different, but very comparable situation though.

Which is just questionable who at SE thinks it's such a great design that they'd set up a class with twice this fun.

[Wintersandman]

Bards get a double dose of this basically with Bloodletter proc's and Straight Shot proc's.

Bloodletter being different, but very comparable situation though.

BLM's have a double dose as well with Thundercloud (which is now useless) and Firestarter procs. Thundercloud works like Bloodletter and Firestarter like Straight Shot. But BLM's don't have the luxury have being able to use Thundercloud procs off the GCD and even if they could they would be unable to due to their 2.5 minimum cast timer.

[Snowaeth]

BLM's have a double dose as well with Thundercloud (which is now useless) and Firestarter procs. Thundercloud works like Bloodletter and Firestarter like Straight Shot. But BLM's don't have the luxury have being able to use Thundercloud procs off the GCD and even if they could they would be unable to due to their 2.5 minimum cast timer.

Well from what you describe you sound like you agree about how fun of a mechanic it is right?

Thunder proc's don't cut into BLM GCD, they take up the GCD for a (what used to be high potency attack) and added mobility, while happening quite rarely, not so much as throwing rotations off as fitting into rotations (Pre 3.0)
I understand how it's bad for 3.0 but it's been admitted to be bad and I'm pretty sure Yoshi already mentioned they'r fixing thunder in 3.0.

On a bard Bloodletter proc's happen about once every 7ish sec, they are OGCD so you still need to combine it with the cast of a GCD, meaning they don't really give you mobility without dps loss and because of the rate they can happen at it forces you to use them asap, pushing other ogcd's and now even GCD's because BL can proc during casts.

[Wintersandman]

Well from what you describe you sound like you agree about how fun of a mechanic it is right?

I am more just saying welcome to the new world. Not saying things shouldn't change for QoL but the only change request I have seen is about WM and complaints about WM. In reality you're just getting affected by what other classes have felt for months/years. One key difference between the two is bloodletter has a CD where thunder and Fire III do not. BLM loses their freebie where as Bard delays another potential reset.

It looks like some creative problem solving needs to happen and it can't start with throw out WM.

Horrible Analogy

What he is saying is you guys need to come together with a united message on what you want. If you want change, the bard community can't be all over the place.

Because Adam, Ben, Charles and Dan do like to eat something that is similar. Find out what the similarity is perhaps Turkey or Pork.

[Snowaeth]

I am more just saying welcome to the new world. Not saying things shouldn't change for QoL but the only change request I have seen is about WM and complaints about WM. In reality you're just getting affected by what other classes have felt for months/years. One key difference between the two is bloodletter has a CD where thunder and Fire III do not. BLM loses their freebie where as Bard delays another potential reset.

It looks like some creative problem solving needs to happen and it can't start with throw out WM.

What he is saying is you guys need to come together with a united message on what you want. If you want change, the bard community can't be all over the place.

Because Adam, Ben, Charles and Dan do like to eat something that is similar. Find out what the similar is perhaps Turkey or Pork.

And that's exactly what I've been trying to do in my thread already
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-how-to-fix-it.

It is however hard to unite bards, because there are different issues for each one of them.
I mean I'm focusing on how to fix things within WM, but obviously there are plenty of bards that don't want to accept WM at all and what not.
I can't blame them, but saying remove WM doesn't offer a good basis for discussing issues with what we already have as this requires to meet a new condition first before we can even discuss how to fix the state that would come out of it.

[Aiselia]

What he is saying is you guys need to come together with a united message on what you want. If you want change, the bard community can't be all over the place.

Which is difficult to do if people don't want the same things.

This may come as a surprise to you, but members of a group are allowed to disagree with other members of the same group.

And that will be the last response I grace you with, because I'm sure you'll ignore what I say anyways.