Law Healer gear needs Accuracy.

[Ghishlain]

- The average healer being a self-important dweeb. Yoshi says that being basic/average is good enough for clearing the hardest content, so stop taking offense to being called mediocre/not doing your very best, instead of good/excellent.
- The average healer being a self-important dweeb. There's more to good healers than just adding DPS to your repertoire. Not DPSing doesn't automatically make you bad.
- People being absolutely horrible at posting balanced arguments, i.e. "there's a time for DPS, and there are times to not DPS" and not "That Ladybug began casting Teraflare the moment I hovered over Cleric Stance, true story" or "Begin DPSing before I break into your house and replace all your actions on the bar with /grovel commands"

Pick one poison, I suppose.

You can also add (which mimics your 2nd point):

-The elitest healer who believes if you aren't DPSing at all, you're automatically terrible at being a healer, regardless of any reason you may have to be healing constantly.

I guess to me, the argument is moot because the neither side is wrong, just people fail at writing any sort of balanced argument for it.

True, a healer will never need to DPS to clear content if the raid ilvl is appropriate
True, a healer who doesn't DPS but maintains raid health is not bad, but also not great either. They are average.
True, a healer who can provide DPS while maintaining raid health is performing better than a healer who is not adding additional DPS
True, in some cases all a healer can do is heal due to player mistakes degrading the situation into an "aw crap" situation

That pretty much sums up how the argument should be looked at >>; I dunno why this topic keeps rearing its ugly head. lol.

[EZ5902]

Just to re-iterate what was already mentioned in the thread about re-adjusting 2.0 content accuracy requirements, here's the translated quote from the live letter.

Ah, well bugger me i never saw that, thanks.

[EZ5902]

You're getting defensive for no reason when the quoted poster had a very good point. Yes many healers do like to dps but the fact is, SE has stated they don't design fights where healers need to dps. They don't design the game for healers to dps in group scenarios in general. So people are free to do it, but SE is not going to encourage it because their view of the classes is different.

Yeah they never designed it so tanks are supposed to pull every goddamn enemy until the first boss but it gets done that way!

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

However, he/she was quoting a poster who wished all healers accuracy dropped to 1 expecting that would eliminate the possibility for any of the 3 healers to DPS, when the only real thing that would probably do is automatically make the WHM not viable in 1st world clears. Just thought it was relevant enough to mention ^^

I left out White Mage on purpose, as they're more likely to expect to do the majority of the healing of the healing pair as opposed to scholar, who is more likely the healer who helps off-DPS and aids in healing only when necessary. Main healer/support healer model, if I'd have to name it - Something not everyone seems to be aware of, mind you.

It doesn't mean that White Mages "are not viable in world first clears". It just shifts the healing burden a bit more towards the White Mage so the other healer can spend more time and resources into other things. Be it contributing to meet the DPS check or to handle mechanics. That is, if said White Mage can actually handle all the healing stress dumped on him/her without creating counter-productive results. Perma ballad from bard, for example.

What people seem to be forgetting is that Healers are in a much better spot to make any encounter more "forgiving".

Your secondary objective would be to make the encounter as forgiving as possible, although opinions on this may vary. Making an encounter more forgiving involves handling mechanics or contributing with damage. For most encounters, especially when progressing, the dps checks is one of the main causes for failures. Assuming your primary objective is achieved till the dps check fails. By taking duties handling mechanics from other players would improve the overal damage output. Alternatively you could help contribute with some damage as a healer.

And why are healers in a better spot to make encounters more "forgiving"?

2.2 Main- and supportive healer model
Healing generally happens in tandem. But not all content requires two healers to be constantly healing as this will cause overhealing



Each encounter has a certain healing output requirement. When this is not met, your party will slowly die till the damage simply overwhelms the healing output. When this requirement is met, any output that exceeds the requirement would simply be overhealing. Overhealing isn't necessarily a bad thing, mind you. After all; overhealing doesn't kill anyone and in each encounter there will always be a bit of overhealing. For those strifing for greater efficiency, it's good practice to suppress the amount of overhealing to a minimum, allowing you or your healing partner to spend more time and resources into other activities mentioned as secondary objective.

With that in mind, you should be aware who's the main healer and who's the supportive healer of the pair. The main healer would take the greater bulk of healing for both tank- as well as group healing. The supportive healer will focus on other tasks while aiding when necessary.

From a healing handbook I wrote in my FC's forum.

[PetiteMalFleur]

What people are forgetting is that in a typical raid environment with two healers the hybrid dps/healer role is actually the easier of the pair. The scholar role becomes easier since their main focus is then to push as much damage as possible from their end while their whm partner has the burden of carry healing the encounter, by patching up mistakes, and keeping everyone alive. This is very easy to do when the combined overheal is 60-70% since both healers are healing well above the damage threshhold. It is more difficult when the healing output of your partner is near nonexistent and you must make up for that by increasing your hps and be smarter about every cast being as efficient as possible.

Like it or not those healers raise the bar by entering party finder groups and showing people the benefits healer dps can bring to a raid. They start being sought after to the point healers who do not embrace that playstyle will be rejected from groups. That has been my experience and it seems to be a growing trend as the community evolves to learn the most efficient ways to approach difficult encounters with tight dps checks.

Those who dig in their heals about "healers job is not to dps" are fine if that is what their particular group wants. However, don't be surprised when you step outside your group and see the majority of players care about efficiency > principles.

[Leiloni]

**big rant**

I actually do dps whenever I can but your overreaction is exactly my point. And in many situations some other healers may not feel comfortable slacking on heals to dps, because more often than not you don't have sitautions where there's a phase the tank is taking no damage, you've got plenty of mana and can just spam the deeps. Those are select fights and outside of that, there are healers who may not yet feel up to it, especially in Duty Finder when the skills of your group are often questionable. I don't think having a hostile attitude towards our fellow healers is really the way to encourage them to try harder. Putting people down has never gotten people to be better. All it does it make them feel bad and less likely to even want to try.

[Leiloni]

HAHA! NO! Thats not what the point of this thread is even about. Did you even read the title? We're talking about adding accuracy to healer equipment to hit accuracy checks. We are not talking about whether dpsing as a healer is good or bad. The only dungeons that have an accuracy issue for healers is in 8 man raid content. Four man dungeons are not relevant here.

Maybe when it started but I have to agree with Dreamweaver that the discussion has clearly diverted into healer dps in general and whether it's required or not. I think he has a valid point in bringing 4 mans into this because the arguments are similar, and really nobody has mentioned accuracy for pages now.

[Aurelinaus]

but if they did that it would have to end up replacing another stat... like critical... which needless to say would anger a lot of scholars...(adlo crit is amazing)

Not. True. At. All.

Pre-3.0 healer gear had added acc which was separate from and did not replace secondaries example here and here

[RiisWolf]

No. NO! This is a terrible idea.
I'm sure the accuracy soft cap is nerfed in favor of supplying those stat point in something else, which is a VERY good thing.
With the excessive Accuracy caps from before, we healers were gimped on the most important thing, healing power and/or MP depending on which stat the ACC cut. So that meant, less critical, less determination, and less speed, all for the very thing you should not be doing first and foremost! And before someone tries to hit me with "What about those DPS or die moments like the end of Odin", they are exceptions, and exceptions do NOT count. I know I don't want my healing power gimped for something as useless as accuracy the vast majority of the time.

Healing is number 1 on the list, DPS is number 2 and they don't need you're weak two cents about it.

And OMG I can't count the number of wipes we suffered cause our healers "think" they were doing us a favor by attacking over healing.

[EzKatka]

With the excessive Accuracy caps from before, we healers were gimped on the most important thing, healing power and/or MP depending on which stat the ACC cut.

This isn't true. 2.0 healer gear had Accuracy ON TOP of other secondary stats, not cutting from other stats. For example, my Zeta has Accuracy even though I didn't meld any accuracy materias.