Bard - they broke my job

[Xeph]

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I just want to address all the gross misconceptions with in this post.

1. While I do agree to that some of the potency changes were warranted, the main contributing factor to bards being strong was the fact that people had not started to scale yet. This is very apparent from weapon damage numbers, whilst bards only get a +1 increase to their weapon damage other classes were getting +3, and once this scaling took effect bards were no longer top dps unless your mdps were totally terrible.
Hence why this phenomena was never replicated, even though the nerfs to bard were not major in anyway, they are just a class that scales badly.

2. The same is true for every class; player skill is a large contributing factor, I really don't understand the point you are trying to make here.

3. This is such a broad generalization, there are those that complained about damage, and there was others who's main issue was the large change in play style. Regardless the 10% damage increase was not a premature change at all, was in fact very warranted. If this is the skill that was brought into the game to help bards reach more competitive dps numbers, then it should do just that seeing how this is SE's justification for adding WM in the first place.

4. Mobility was clearly the class design that SE was going after, Bards were required to dodge aoe's just like everyone else, albeit they could keep up time on the boss while doing it. AA's will not be missed if you strafe move.
There is nothing wrong with this design choice at all, this made Bards a prime candidate for handling a multitude of mechanics, take a look at T7 savage.

5. I am glad that it only took you two weeks to master the class, I don't understand what relevance this has towards the subject at hand, because as far as I am concerned no class in this game is difficult to play, its understanding how a class plays out within the context of a certain encounter the poses any form of a difficulty.

Gonna end by saying that it doesnt even take a bard main to realize that these changes were needed. I for one, dont play the class.

Nope it takes a Bard main to realize how terrible this design change is, every point you made previously just misses the mark.

To wrap this up a simple solution to the current bard problem is to increase weapon damage by 1 across the board.
Make WM a 120S cooldown that negates the 15% dps loss from songs for 15s.
Make WP a 120S group aoe buff (with the same range as songs)

[yamochan]

If You play like BRD or MCH mainly, when support is not needed, just change to a real DPS job, It's not "cry", it's just a fact. You will bring better DPS for your party if You have a second real DPS Job, and You are gonna be able to help your static.

and yet again my theory that ppl who have no idea about anything are talking in the wrong threads sets in. just think back about 2 years you blockhead when bard was op in dmg than u wanted to have 4 bards at best in ur grp cause we were a dps class back then. fast foreward 2 years we are still a dps class maybe u dont want 4 anymore cause of fightmechanics but we still queue as dps not support. so we need to get buffed and some qol changes to compeate and thats a fact. you cant just come around and say reroll cause thats not balancing thats horseshit. my god i get pissed when i read stuff like that.

some of ur othewr posts even make sense but this one god no

[Typhoria]

Funny thing is, Wanderer's Minuet doesn't make sense for the ability! How would a wanderer dance while not moving? Wanderers should always be on the move!

[Aleph]

Funny thing is, Wanderer's Minuet doesn't make sense for the ability! How would a wanderer dance while not moving? Wanderers should always be on the move!

True. What if they changed it to allow party members to move while casting. This would give the dps boost they want while keeping us support. Casters would love us during heavy mechanic situations. Instead of us doing more damage, our party is doing it for us via blm/smn not having to interrupt for dodges. Make it drain MP, not usable with other songs. Would make more sense with the name.

[Greywolfamakir]

qq

SE said something like "BRD and MCH are supports, They should do less DPS than pure DPS jobs..."
with that point in mind, if the encounter does not need support, and You don't wanna be carried by your team, You should play a pure DPS job.
If You don't care your DPS, or You dont care your group, You can play what You want....
Right now, the best idea for every BRD/MCH is take a second Job, and be prepare for use it.
If You want to play like BRD/MCH and no one more, it's fine, but If You are not supporting, You are being carried by your team, ITS A FACT.

[LambLich]

SE said something like "BRD and MCH are supports, They should do less DPS than pure DPS jobs..."
with that point in mind, if the encounter does not need support, and You don't wanna be carried by your team, You should play a pure DPS job.
If You don't care your DPS, or You dont care your group, You can play what You want....
Right now, the best idea for every BRD/MCH is take a second Job, and be prepare for use it.
If You want to play like BRD/MCH and no one more, it's fine, but If You are not supporting, You are being carried by your team, ITS A FACT.

By your monkey logic when were using support abilities were carrying you so shut it, we take a dps slot and until that changes we are a dps now go crawl back under your rock.

[Greywolfamakir]

By your monkey logic when were using support abilities were carrying you so shut it, we take a dps slot and until that changes we are a dps now go crawl back under your rock.

ok...
Supports do less damage than pure DPS jobs, then If You know that your team does not need support, you are doing less DPS and not supporting...then I think is better play like a pure DPS job instead a support. It's a good logic I think...if You want the best for your group...

If You dont like this fact...You can play like BRD or MCH when support is not needed and just do less damage than your mates...

[Leonus]

No matter how much people complain, I don't think SE is going to let brds to equal damage to the melee/smn/blm.

The possible (more likely to happen) cons far outweigh the (current, if the fixed it now) pros.

This dead horse, please... Let it rest in peace.

Now the WM problems might be addressed, they did say they were looking into it.

Also, no good static groups say that they "carry" their bard. All of the people in that group know that the brd does what they can dps/tp/mp battery that allows the others to do their job a little easier and the fight go smoother.

[Greywolfamakir]

No matter how much people compkain, I don't think SE is going to let brds to equal damage to the melee/smn/blm.

The possible (more likely to happen) cons far a outweigh the (current, if the fixed it now) pros.

+1
this is a good reason for every BRD or MCH to have a second job, melee/smn/blm, and take this when support is not needed, or just play always like BRD or MCH and do less DPS doing bosses a bit harder/longer...just a bit.

[Inferiae]

+1
this is a good reason for every BRD or MCH to have a second job, melee/smn/blm, and take this when support is not needed, or just play always like BRD or MCH and do less DPS doing bosses a bit harder/longer...just a bit.

So by your logic, all BRDs and MCHs must have a second job, while everyone else is good. And the whole "support DPS" thing is bullshit, since most of the DPS jobs have some degree of utility sometimes much better than BRD's (Trick Attack, Battle Litany?).


But still, I don't mind BRD's DPS at all, specially since I can be top DPS very often, it's just that your argument is nonsense.