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  1. #151
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    Malakaz Vosoma
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanelis View Post
    If you want to understand the value of vitality I urge you to attempt T1 to T5 without echo in ilvl 70 gear (or T9 in ilvl 90~100 gear without echo).
    Just wait until savage everyone is going to switch back to VIT again until they overgear the content and switch back to str that's how this whole str accessory business started in the first place. I honestly hate it because its breeding bad habits in DF. This is how its like in my eyes.

    http://puu.sh/ie7pa.jpg

    edit:This is someone else's comic from reddit I favorited it to remember it at all times and shake my fist's and DF tanks who try to dps instead of tank.
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    Last edited by shinros; 07-16-2015 at 11:11 AM.

  2. #152
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    Peach Parfait
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    poot.
    Ok but it's about 3k HP difference in STR accessories vs. HP accessories.
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  3. #153
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    Irvy Ryath
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 85
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Because 30 vit in ilvl 70 is around a 10% increase in HP, which is quite a significant increase, @50 in ilvl 130 as tank, 30 vit is closer to a 5% increase in HP. So at ilvl 70 it's more useful than wearing ilvl 130. Now we are at 15-20k HP, so the percentile increase is even less for those vit points. Even with the extra points to spend from 51-60.

    In other words, as HP gets higher the returns from vit gets lower and STR gets higher in comparison.
    Depends on how much the relevant content will deal in one go (content is balanced around tanks EHP), in T5 you didn't have a single point to spare at ilvl 90 if you wanted to survive to every contingencies (eg bad RNG stroke with AOE and stuns). Also it is known that T10~T13 has been more lenient on tanks.
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    Last edited by Stanelis; 07-15-2015 at 07:51 PM.

  4. #154
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    Waliel Hla
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    A4 buster only hurts if the fight goes on longer; it works like Akh Morn in that you get one extra beam per usage, if I'm not totally mistaken. It seemed to hit about 3500-4500 per beam on our tank.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    It's always best to have some buffer. Not saying you can't use STR accessories, but you gotta account for a buffer.
    Quote Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX View Post
    Its only wasted if nobody else is taking damage or the healers are solely healing.
    Hence technically.
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    Last edited by Waliel; 07-15-2015 at 07:56 PM.

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  5. #155
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    Yu Zeneolsia
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    Turning DRK into tank was a smart move. The queues dont take as long as they used to. Yes alot of the new DRK are bad, but the class has only been around for few weeks. Give players the time to learn the new classes.
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  6. #156
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    Dererk Titan
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    Ultros
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    Just wait until savage everyone is going to switch back to VIT again until they overgear the content and switch back to str that's how this whole str accessory business started in the first place. I honestly hate it because its breeding bad habits in DF. This is how its like in my eyes.

    http://puu.sh/ie7pa.jpg

    Just lol. LOL.
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  7. #157
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX View Post
    Ok but it's about 3k HP difference in STR accessories vs. HP accessories.
    Was talking about the bonus points, not accesories. Best thing for accesories is Vit ones melded with STR, or STR ones melded with VIT so you get best of both worlds.
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  8. #158
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    Hayward Timberwolf
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    Just wait until savage everyone is going to switch back to VIT again until they overgear the content and switch back to str that's how this whole str accessory business started in the first place. I honestly hate it because its breeding bad habits in DF. This is how its like in my eyes.

    http://puu.sh/ie7pa.jpg
    You just broke the internet. I congratulate you.
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  9. #159
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    Peach Parfait
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Was talking about the bonus points, not accesories. Best thing for accesories is Vit ones melded with STR, or STR ones melded with VIT so you get best of both worlds.
    Nobody anywhere mentioned attribute points that I can see.
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    Peach Parfait/Khulan Angura on Gilgamesh

  10. #160
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    Astral Pyre
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by shinros View Post
    Just wait until savage everyone is going to switch back to VIT again until they overgear the content and switch back to str that's how this whole str accessory business started in the first place. I honestly hate it because its breeding bad habits in DF. This is how its like in my eyes.

    http://puu.sh/ie7pa.jpg
    I ♥ U ;D Major Lulz

    But...I gotta say if a tank can only do 250 dps even with full vit gear...that is kinda sad. When tank dps has effectively well over doubled since ARR. But yeah as tanks our job is to remain alive for the group first, and dps second.
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