Law Healer gear needs Accuracy.

[DreamWeaver]

Below are depicted situation for two different groups of 4 man parties. (Just covering all my bases in case somebody derps and tell me Healer B is doing all the work while Healer A is DPSing >___>, AKA is 2 different group, 2 different, time, same fight)

Monk A deals 1200 DPS in a fight while handling mechanics properly.
Monk B deals 900 DPS in a fight while handling mechanics properly.

Monk A is clearly better than Monk B.

Healer A deals 400 DPS while keeping people alive in a fight.
Healer B does no damage while keeping people alive.

Which healer is the better healer in this situation?

[keyburz]

@DreamWeaver
Depends. Did Healer A doing dps cause Healer B to use up half of their mana bar while A is stance dancing, or burn unnecessary cooldowns? (benediction, lustrates...)
Also only 1 healer at a time can safely risk going into stance. Meaning that both A and B did a good job: A doing the extra dps, and B being able to solo heal while A throws up some dots.

Any healer thats done hard content knows that going into dps stance diverts your attention away from the party. Putting stance on basically says "i'm going to stop looking at everyones hp while i do this." I dont choose to talk on the cellphone while I drive just because I can. I prefer to be activly scanning the surronding area, because even if I never/rarely have an accident, Id prefer to not be That One Guy that killed everyone due to wacky circumstances.

[DreamWeaver]

Please read the very 1st line .

I have specifically stated that the examples are 4 man parties in hopes of creating misunderstanding like yours thinking Healers A and B are in the same group in the same time, when actually is different group, different time, same fight.

P/S: I added the "different group, different time, same fight" in my original post, don't know why I never add that in the first place for clearer explanation.

[keyburz]

Sorry, didnt notice that first line. My point still stands though. Unnecessary mana consumption, attention diversion.

[Raminax]

Woo, spring break!

I'm actually curious about your in-game experiences and attitudes regarding healer DPS. The forums feel like an entirely different world at times when I consider my own experiences! Just looking at the Au Ra thread over in the General section, you would've thought that female Au Ra would've flooded the game, but there's a surprising amount of male Au Ra too!

I tend to do my roulettes as a Ninja fairly often, and I've been spending practically all of 51-60 by levelling as a Ninja and Dark Knight (well, the DRK is a work in progress, but you get what I mean). In Heavensward, I've yet to see someone comment on the healer not DPSing, even if they're doing silly things like jumping around all the time. I recall a handful of tanks expressing disappointment (sometimes less nicely) at the healer not chipping in with some damage during the 2.X cycle, but those situations were incredibly rare. Likewise, while praise for the healer adding some damage was a bit more common, it was still quite rare to see it. Indeed, you'd think people would worship the ground I tread on considering how often I tend to DPS as a Healer, but most tend to be apathetic towards it. If I end up being praised, it's usually because of the tank not dying to multiple Final Stings going off in Neverreap, not because I'm outdamaging everyone else and keeping the group alive.

On the other hand, a shocking amount of people have bashed me for adding DPS to Extreme Primals and Alexander. Usually it's DPS who claim that it's their job to deal damage and that I should shut up and heal (which I already am doing in general, just not these 7.5 seconds), often when we're repeatedly wiping to things that die too slowly (adds, or gods forbid, the enrage timer), so they should arguably appreciate the extra DPS, but they bizzarely don't. Perhaps they have a complex?

Or it's the Co-Healer who panics over the tiniest scratch and begins spamming Cure II, claiming that I'm not doing my job (again, yes I am, just not these 7.5 seconds). And these tend to genuinely piss me off compared to the silly DPS already mentioned. I do not like being lectured by someone who refuses to let their HoTs do their work, or doesn't preshield big hits, or ends up doing colossal amounts of overhealing and going OOM because they keep using the wrong spell for the situation. More often than not they also fail to see why someone died in the first place (no, it wasn't Cleric Stance that made the DPS jump off Bismarck's platform, it really wasn't), yet go into a tirade that people suck.

Then again, Alexander seems to be a funny creature. The first week I had DPS raging at the tanks for explaining the fights in Sector 1 and 3, telling the tanks to calm down and stop raging against those poor first-timers. Ah, the lack of self-awareness. We hadn't even pulled the bosses once.

[Ooshima]

Please read the very 1st line .

I have specifically stated that the examples are 4 man parties in hopes of creating misunderstanding like yours thinking Healers A and B are in the same group in the same time, when actually is different group, different time, same fight.

P/S: I added the "different group, different time, same fight" in my original post, don't know why I never add that in the first place for clearer explanation.

Obviously Healer A. I almost give commendation to that WHM that spams Holy in 4 man dungeons.

[keyburz]

Dreamweaver seems to have missed the issue here. Four man dungeons are not relevant to this discussion.

[DreamWeaver]

Emmmm we're talking about healer DPS no?
I can choose to dps in 4 man, I can choose not to.
I can choose to dps in 8 man, I can choose not to.

Seems relevant to me!!

Or if it makes you happy, maybe I'll create another situation where Healers A and B did 400 dps each while keeping group alive, while Healers C and D did 0.

[Gallus]

Any healer thats done hard content knows that going into dps stance diverts your attention away from the party. Putting stance on basically says "i'm going to stop looking at everyones hp while i do this." I dont choose to talk on the cellphone while I drive just because I can. I prefer to be activly scanning the surronding area, because even if I never/rarely have an accident, Id prefer to not be That One Guy that killed everyone due to wacky circumstances.

Pulling the "but if you DPS you can't heal as efficiently as a healer who only heals"? Entirely wrong. Any good healer knows that endgame fights are extremely scripted and very "phase-based", meaning the party is going to take a huge hit the next 15-20 seconds, and then, the boss is going to autoattack for the next 10 seconds. Any good healer knows that they must bring every single tool they have to make the party survive those 20 seconds where everybody is getting hit hard, just like any good healer knows the next 10 seconds after that can be offhealed by a regen and a fairy and there's no need to scan anything there.
Could you enlighten me on what potential threats does your party go through Ravana's multiple liberations?

[Tranquil]

Just checked in on this thread if we had any relevant accuracy-related discussions going on, seeing as I have a post in this thread and thus the forums prompted up a notification. I have clearly made a terrible mistake.