Bard - they broke my job

[Aiselia]

I am allowed to go and read what I please.

Correct. But if you're going to whine about having read it, why do you bother?

That's like going into a vegetarian restaurant and then whining that they didn't serve you a steak.

where did I say you were not allowed

At the point where you responded to someone talking about people telling us to shut up and you gave a reason to attempt to justify those people.

Weird how that works, eh?

I am just saying that majority

You say majority once. Then you proceed to simply say "Bards" and "y'all" as if lumping every Bard together.

No, "Bards" didn't complain about their damage before. Some did. Others didn't. Some don't feel that the change to the playstyle that they enjoyed for their entire career before HW was worth the damage increase.

[Rikkustrife]

Majority of BRDs I see complaining are upset that they actually have to think and pay attention.

Where did you see a bard say that?

[Ephier]

Correct. But if you're going to whine about having read it, why do you bother?

That's like going into a vegetarian restaurant and then whining that they didn't serve you a steak.



At the point where you responded to someone talking about people telling us to shut up and you gave a reason to attempt to justify those people.

Weird how that works, eh?



You say majority once. Then you proceed to simply say "Bards" and "y'all" as if lumping every Bard together.

No, "Bards" didn't complain about their damage before. Some did. Others didn't. Some don't feel that the change to the playstyle that they enjoyed for their entire career before HW was worth the damage increase.

I am "whining" about it because I would like to see BRD recieve some proper QoL fixes.

I gave no reasons to justify people telling y'all to "shut up", i just explained why they were telling y'all to shut up. Stop skimming and inferring please.

That is because the y'all refers to the majority, instead of having to put majority down every time.

No comment on your statment about BRDs complaing about damage, its a contradiction in and of itself.

You speak about how some do not like the change that BRD received to their playstyle and that goes back to my question, why do you need to run around in circles mid fight anyways?

[Rikkustrife]

You speak about how some do not like the change that BRD received to their playstyle and that goes back to my question, why do you need to run around in circles mid fight anyways?

No bard ever complained about this and very few bards run around in circles that I have seen, yet this seems to be a comment statement made towards bards who dislike wanderer's minuet.

The issue with wanderer's minuet is how slow the job feels with the 1.5 seconds cast time, and with the cast time plus animations it leaves little time for off cool down attacks, especially with random procs.

Wanderer's minuet adds no difficulty to the class, just seems like an unnecessary addition, which takes a lot away. Our dps would be fine with just the 3 new attacks usable without wanderer's minuet, keeping auto attacks and adding 2 new support songs in place of wanderer's minuet and warden's paeon, which is mostly useless.

We have a thread providing ways to make wanderer's minuet better and less clunky anyways.

[Tua]

back to my question, why do you need to run around in circles mid fight anyways?

Because we could, because it was fun, because it allowed us to adjust smoothly and seamlessly to changes in the fight. Run in for Repelling Shot whilst shooting nonstop, fly back because it's fun (and 80 potency!), then strafe around because you can (and you're doing it right and not missing any AAs), bunny hop a little while you're at it because why not, run up to meet adds spawning on the other side of the arena whilst putting up dots before you target switch to burn down the add..

Because it was fun, and now we're supposed to feel bad for enjoying it.

[Aiselia]

i just explained why they were telling y'all to shut up.

Then you failed to answer the person's question.

y'all refers to the majority

I'm pretty sure that "all" means "all", not "most".

a contradiction in and of itself.

No it isn't. Saying "Bards complained" implies that you're claiming all bards complained. Going on to say "Now y'all" implies that the same people complaining now were also the ones complaining before.

We're allowed to have different opinions from others of our own class, after all.

why do you need to run around in circles mid fight anyways?

I didn't answer that question because it doesn't deserve an answer, since "being able to run around in circles mid-fight" isn't the issue I, or many Bards, have with the change.

However, if you're desperate for an answer: Because that's how we could play for 2 years.

[Ephier]

No bard ever complained about this and very few bards run around in circles that I have seen, yet this seems to be a comment statement made towards bards who dislike wanderer's minuet.

The issue with wanderer's minuet is how slow the job feels with the 1.5 seconds cast time, and with the cast time plus animations it leaves little time for off cool down attacks, especially with random procs.

Wanderer's minuet adds no difficulty to the class, just seems like an unnecessary addition, which takes a lot away. Our dps would be fine with just the 3 new attacks usable without wanderer's minuet, keeping auto attacks and adding 2 new support songs in place of wanderer's minuet and warden's paeon, which is mostly useless.

We have a thread providing ways to make wanderer's minuet better and less clunky anyways.

I am "whining" about it because I would like to see BRD recieve some proper QoL fixes.

To the bards who are actually talking about the problems that they would like addressed I have the utmost respect.

From my current understanding, the animation of heavy shot is way too long. By the time the animation is over you have already started to cast your second heavy shot which could lead to potentially wasting procs of straighter shot similar to a black mage.

MCH suffers from the same thing when we are setting up for our burst phase, Hawkeye, blood for blood, rapid fire and wildfire, two of which have to be popped together which will bleed into the GCD a little. The damage gain is worth it in our situation.

The problem with taking away WM means BRD would regain their mobility, even if you put a cast bar on the new skills like some BRDs suggest they would have to drop your DPS. This would cause you to fall below MCH and become unwanted. So in order to keep balance they gave you WM to be able to justifiably boost your DPS while taking away some mobility while you have it up.

Then you failed to answer the person's question.



I'm pretty sure that "all" means "all", not "most".



No it isn't. Saying "Bards complained" implies that you're claiming all bards complained. Going on to say "Now y'all" implies that the same people complaining now were also the ones complaining before.

We're allowed to have different opinions from others of our own class, after all.



I didn't answer that question because it doesn't deserve an answer, since "being able to run around in circles mid-fight" isn't the issue I, or many Bards, have with the change.

However, if you're desperate for an answer: Because that's how we could play for 2 years.

All is used in reference to a group of things. In my reference I used it to talk about that particular majority of BRDs ( which is a group by definition since you like being technical) not all BRDs.

Now you have answered my question. Because thats how you have played for two years. Now on to my next question, in how many fights do you need to be able to run around in circles?

No, "Bards" didn't complain about their damage before. Some did. Others didn't. Some don't feel that the change to the playstyle that they enjoyed for their entire career before HW was worth the damage increase.

Contradictory statement.

[Wigett]

I will, thanks already working on it.

[Aiselia]

Now on to my next question, in how many fights do you need to be able to run around in circles?

Any fight where the tank dies and the enemy is chasing us. What more do you want as an answer since I already clearly said that mobility wasn't the main issue?

Do you think you're making good points, or are you just deliberately making bad ones?

Contradictory statement.

Not contradictory at all.

There's a difference between "Bards" and "Some bards".

Just like how if I say "Animals eat meat", it would be incorrect as some animals do not, while also correct because some do.

[Zyrusticae]

Just wanted to post some amusing tidbits here.

Here's a poll showing how low BRD is in the DPS popularity rankings. Unsurprisingly, it's MCH that's dead, DEAD last.

Here's a more detailed poll showing that a significant number of respondents were disappointed with BRD, though an even higher number were disappointed by AST and MCH. The number of those disappointed with BRD is twice as high as the number of those who decided to continue maining BRD. Unsurprisingly, a huge number of respondents were turned off by the playstyle change.

SE dun goofed, yo. It's indisputable at this point.