Bard - they broke my job

[Elfr]

Before we derail the wagon any further. There are a few things that people need to be reminded, even the so called "bard mains"

1. Bard at one point was a class so strongly designed and so losely implemented that not only topped the dps charts, but almost spit on all other jobs due to its inherent skill repertoire and ability to ignore all aoe/damage mechanics. The class was later nerfed due to such obvious advantages.

2. Class STILLED remained relevant after the nerf due to the same advantages over the clusterfuck of melee fixes going on during the 2.0 era. Up until now the top bards, and I mean the legit bards (not the Ive mastered my class omg best support eva bs crew) have still been ranking way up there in the dps charts, and for a reason.

3. WM is a dps increase. Even during the 20percent WM era, the idea of taking out AAs (which btw were nerfed bc det was nerfed) in exchange for higher base dmg plus a boatLoad of high potency skills was sound. But I guess the waterfall of cries from the community earned it a (honestly, premature) 10percent buff.

4. There is a reason why Stoneskin II was added to the game. Im forever glad SE took notice of this, and I repeat, extremely glad. Healers spamming SS on groups b4 trash pulls, simple boss fights, hm primals, echod primals. If you were a decent tank on your 45th dungeon run on a philo tome farm youhad to wait for that all party SS b4 the healer even casted protect. After many embarrassing years bcof this nuisance, SE finally had enough of this and made the (imo wrongly claimed QoL) SS II fix.

How is this relevant to bard? Well, as someone who is very observant and constructive about game mechanics it wasnt very hard to notice how downright unecessary and most times embarrasingly stupid bard "mobility" really was.
Melee didnt need it, tanks didnt need it, healers didnt need it. The ability to run and shoot was both the stupidity that drove 99percent of the community towards bard AND the reason why most of those ppl never even understood the concept of over dodging an aoe. Making snow angels on the battlefield while missing half your (so highly claimed "necessary") auto attacks needed to stop.

5. Every class got deeper in HW. Bard needed to as well. Only took me 2 weeks to pick up bard and realize all the class was 2 dots.......and pew pew away. If youhonestly considered singing as part of your rotation, idk what to say. To stand out from the rest of bards and begin to put up beastly parses the only step needed to be taken after this was to maximize BL proc output. Ie: literally growing a 6th finger and sticking it on the proc key. Bard has always been the easiest (and most OP tbh) job to play.

Gonna end by saying that it doesnt even take a bard main to realize that these changes were needed. I for one, dont play the class.

[_Omega_]

Funny how people keep complaining about bards and yet it's the most common class in the game... I keep getting Trials with 3 bards in them lol

[Reneo]

Just keep rioting about the job. XD

Hopefully the developers give something to shut everyone up. XD

Seriously, keep whining please.

(sarcasm)

[Rafaelhades]

^This. If your healers start running dry on mana, just tell them to git gud and buy those X-Ethers. Or tell your tanks to level PLD and rotate hallowed ground.

[AnnietheCat]

For the people who don't like us complaining about not liking the changes, why are you here? This is so obviously a complaint thread where the arguments against these new changes go from "rotation is now clunky" to "I simply do not enjoy this play style", featuring a bit of "if I wanted a caster I would have picked one". So why are you here trolling this thread, about bards, telling us to "git gud", "stop whining", and "qq harder"? You don't want to see the complaints? Want us to stop whining, as you call it? Don't click on a complaint thread. Kinda funny how that works, right?

[Ephier]

For the people who don't like us complaining about not liking the changes, why are you here? This is so obviously a complaint thread where the arguments against these new changes go from "rotation is now clunky" to "I simply do not enjoy this play style", featuring a bit of "if I wanted a caster I would have picked one". So why are you here trolling this thread, about bards, telling us to "git gud", "stop whining", and "qq harder"? You don't want to see the complaints? Want us to stop whining, as you call it? Don't click on a complaint thread. Kinda funny how that works, right?

Because you are like the spoiled brats at Christmas who did not like the toys they got. Majority of BRDs I see complaining are upset that they actually have to think and pay attention. God forbid a DPS with a drawback. BRDs whined they wanted more damage and to be closer to other DPS. They give you WM, more DMG for less mobility to bring you in line with casters (btw our cast is only 1.5s before SS kicks in, 1s faster than casters) and y'all still complain. Yoshi gives y'all a buff to the stance to make it godly strong and the only thing y'all could say was, my potencies got nerfed? WM is here to stay whether the cry babies like it or not, it is best to assimilate or drop the class pretty much. Even if SE did take WM out, they would have to drop your DMG and you would fall behind MCH, leading to another arc of the BRDs conquest of whining all over the forums. BRD is in a very good position now, and needs no buffs. A few QoL tweaks here and there and it will be fine. What do you need to run around in circles all day for anyways?

[Aiselia]

Majority of BRDs I see complaining

Here's an idea.

Don't go into Bard complaint threads and you won't see ANY of them!

Problem solved.

We're allowed to voice our complaints. You're allowed to ignore them if you don't want to see them. But whining about our complaining doesn't make you look any more mature than the "cry babies" you're so mad over.

[Ephier]

Here's an idea.

Don't go into Bard complaint threads and you won't see ANY of them!

Problem solved.

We're allowed to voice our complaints. You're allowed to ignore them if you don't want to see them. But whining about our complaining doesn't make you look any more mature than the "cry babies" you're so mad over.

I am allowed to go and read what I please. Some people in these threads actually post valid complaints that are interesting to read up on, while others I just have no comment on.

Also, where did I say you were not allowed to voice your complaints? Not anywhere in my post that I can see. I am just saying that majority of the complaints in this thread is just whining, and not actual fixes to QoL issues you guys should be looking at.

[lugiaXD]

Because you are like the spoiled brats at Christmas who did not like the toys they got. Majority of BRDs I see complaining are upset that they actually have to think and pay attention. God forbid a DPS with a drawback. BRDs whined they wanted more damage and to be closer to other DPS. They give you WM, more DMG for less mobility to bring you in line with casters (btw our cast is only 1.5s before SS kicks in, 1s faster than casters) and y'all still complain. Yoshi gives y'all a buff to the stance to make it godly strong and the only thing y'all could say was, my potencies got nerfed? WM is here to stay whether the cry babies like it or not, it is best to assimilate or drop the class pretty much. Even if SE did take WM out, they would have to drop your DMG and you would fall behind MCH, leading to another arc of the BRDs conquest of whining all over the forums. BRD is in a very good position now, and needs no buffs. A few QoL tweaks here and there and it will be fine. What do you need to run around in circles all day for anyways?

i didn't whine about my dps being lower than others :/

in fact i was quite happy being lower on the dps list because in the end i still did really good dps while providing good support for the party and having one of the most latency friendly classes in the game, i didn't waste movement but i enjoyed the mobility cause it allowed me to excel at doing movement based mechanics and still do good dps.

if you wanted to be a good bard you did need to nail your opener and fully understand your priority system while still understanding when it was good to play songs and not to play them at all for something later.

considering we were so easy to play i was fine with doing less dps overall while still being close enough to the point where if you got 2 bards you weren't screwed beyond reason and one of you was kicked.

to me the fact that the 20% WM era led to a negligible dps increase at the cost of my entire playstyle was just the icing on the shit cake.
i've adapted and have even been outparsing the other bards in my FC, at some point i was told i was doing over 1000 dps though i didn't care for the number because i wasn't having as much fun playing the class.

and to those saying i should reroll i don't actually like any of the other dps' playstyles, the only one i did like was ninja but it is extremely latency unfriendly (i live in australia and have a ps4 so no way for me to actually fix my latency issue any further than i already have (wired connection making sure i don't have anything downloading on my net and LITERALLY buying my own internet so that i could have complete control over what my net was using)) due to it's mudra's and since they are a decent chunk of NIN DPS i didn't want to hold my party back when i could do overall better dps on bard because i was way more familiar with the class and understood it perfectly while still doing well in fights while under the stress of mechanics.

i can still do well on bard but my entire issue is enjoying the playstyle and frankly this new playstyle just leaves a sour taste in my mouth but sadly the gap between having it off and having it on is now so big in most content that i feel forced to use it so i don't hold down the party because of my own personal issues.

[Raeus]

On bard mobility if you 'lock-on' to a boss and strafe around him like an asshole you are NOT losing any AAs so everyone who says theres a disconnect with running around like a headless jackass with no direction really has it wrong since the only 'crippled' movement is moving away ie backpedaling from the boss which if you run at him angle yourself properly and use repelling foom movement! SO anyone saying us 'abusing' said mobility and losing those OMG AAs GONE we're complaining about when we're in WM really don't know jack shit about how bard mains really play, because really you can go for an entire raid without missing your AAs and running around like a jackass BECAUSE YOU CAN. (not that you really should but really if you're bored it doesn't fuck up a mechanic and you aren't getting hit that requires you to be topped up why the hell not)