Warrior of Light Primal Plot Twist (spoilers)

[Nalien]

i don't think that would be the same case... as if we killed hydaelyn we would be killing everything that lived on the planet if your theory is true...at which point i highly doubt even the most fanatic primal slayer would go THAT far...

Well, obviously we'd never do that, but the Ascians certainly would want us to.

I imagine we're heading towards some "Primal ain't so bad" plot point, given we're meant to eventually be able to summon them ourselves, so we'll probably end up letting Hydealyn chill out. Alternatively we've become increasingly aware of the Allagans ability to seal Primals and Eikons... I kind of wonder if that is what happened before... Insert crazy theory that Silvertear Falls was where Hydaelyn was sealed by the Allag, and that's why Midgardsormr crashed the Agrius into the lake (yay, I've finally made sense of his seemingly insane move back then...).

[RickiFake02]

I think it is more likely that we're Tempered. Tempered individuals, given time, do seem to exceed their mortal limits to the point where we have to deal with them rather than them just still being random pathetic people. This is particularly noticeable with Ifrit, when we get to see him Temper some people, who then meekly walk off to their deaths, yet all the other Tempered individuals for Ifrit (presumably coming from similar walks of life) are fairly strong (or were, at Lv50). How'd they get that strong? Simple, being Tempered makes you stronger.

Who are we Tempered by? Hydaelyn, of course. Both the planet and the Mother Crystal. The Mother Crystal is actually in the center of the planet, looks awfully similar to Bahamuts crystal heart, doesn't it? But Primals sap the world of aether to sustain themselves? Well, Hydaelyn is a planet size Primal, does space look particularly rich in aether? The Lifestream? Well, would a large enough Primal have a vascular system? I'd think so...

Another interesting tidbit from the Alexander plot line, the Illuminati seem to think that, once Alexander is fully operational and consuming all the aether on the planet, they'll be safe inside, surviving off his aether. So, unless they're wrong, large enough Primals can sustain life inside/on them. Wonder what would happen if you summoned a Primal inside Alexander... Would it feed of the planets aether, or would it feed off Alexanders? Then there is the whole Ascian thing. Most recently they've claimed we mindlessly seek out Primals to kill, and in the past Elidibus mentioned how we'd join them if we knew the truth... From their perspective, we live to kill Primals, but we're unaware Hydaelyn is a Primal. If we knew Hydaelyn was a Primal, surely we'd join them to kill yet another Primal?

Except that if Hydaelyn is a primal then so is Zodiark, so why would we side with one primal to slay another?

[Nalien]

Except that if Hydaelyn is a primal then so is Zodiark, so why would we side with one primal to slay another?

Again, we wouldn't, but the Ascians would want us to. Manipulating peoples objectives to their own ends is kinda their deal. Slaying Primals is our objective.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just have an expansion where we sided with one Primal to slay another? I know Shiva sucked against Ravana, but it doesn't change the fact that we had Shiva, a Primal, help us out... Twice...

I really doubt we'll do anything to Hydaelyn though, if anything that is what the Warrior of Darkness is being set up for. If I'm right, we'll get the big reveal that we should be against Hydaelyn, but I'm sure we'll just shrug it off like everything else because plot. If I had to guess, Primals are only as bad as the method used to summon them. Currently the Ascians have everyone summoning, everything is being summoned with a Dark aspected affinity (similar to how the the Twelve represent each element twice, once with a Light affinity, then again with a Dark affinity). Dark aspected flame (Ifrit) is bad because Hydaelyn is Light based, but if we summoned Light aspected Ifrit, that'd be fine, and we can hand wave away with issue of Primal Summoning just in time for Free Companies to finally get that piece of content.

[Kallera]

I dunno, isn't one of the major points of the 3.0 ending to be that throwing bigger things against us isn't working for Elidibus and friends?

[Nomad-phx]

didnt ffx already do this with tidus-the main character or something very similar?

[Cilia]

I entertained the notion of the Warrior of Light being a primal or something like it...

... but then I remembered the Scions all have gadgets that make aetherflow visible, and I'm quite certain they'd have noticed if we were sucking up aether like a primal.

[FrejyaAthenes]

Pretty sure if we were Primals, Urianger would've noticed something since he's always wearing those aether scouter goggles on his face. That or Y'shtola since she's like a magic Toph/Daredevil.

[Sylentmana]

I've had the theory that we are in fact physical manifestations of Hydaelyn's light that she brought to life to be her champions. So when she calls us her child she means it literally. I think it would explain why our Echo is abnormally strong, are immune to being tempered even after Middy removed our "blessing", and why we continue to grow in strength while Hydaelyn is growing weaker. We are, in a sense, the light version of the Ascians and are ourselves immortals. This would, I think, also serve to justify the game mechanic of resurrecting at aetherytes after having been "killed." Since we attune ourselves to the aetherytes instead of a crystal, we are able to resurrect without the consumption of a crystal like the Ascians do.

[PArcher]

I think it would explain why our Echo is abnormally strong, are immune to being tempered even after Middy removed our "blessing",

Echo =/= Blessing of Light.

Middy only sealed the Blessing away for a time; the Echo was left intact.

To give a refresher, we know the Echo allows us to understand anyone, resist tempering, and see visions (and so on and so on), while the Blessing...is a bit more ambiguous, giving us the ability to manifest the Crystals of Light, use the Light to shield us, and some other abilities.

We are, in a sense, the light version of the Ascians and are ourselves immortals. This would, I think, also serve to justify the game mechanic of resurrecting at aetherytes after having been "killed." Since we attune ourselves to the aetherytes instead of a crystal, we are able to resurrect without the consumption of a crystal like the Ascians do.

Its just a game-mechanic. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 90% sure that we've only lost a single fight so far in the story...to the Amalj'aa, where we were slept and brought before Ifrit. We have yet to die, or have any other enemy force us unconscious.

We don't know if we are, in fact, immortal at this point. Middy still refers to us as a Mortal, so...

[AutumnHarvestwind]

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Good food for thought! When Moenbryda and Co explained the Ascian Dilemma in 2.55, Zordiak's realm ( which also accounted for a meeting place of the Ascians ) looked pretty spacey and well, desolate. This is me shooting in the dark here, but when we see the first cameo of the WoD, they are up in space. If Hydaelyn were a primal that is consuming Zordiak's aether, it would make sense why the Asians are trying to wrought destruction on her followers and her very being. I think it would also explain Elidibus' foreboding words, too.