You can look WM and BRD from this perspective.

[RiceisNice]

That sounds like a hell of a bug.
Also, it does not simply refresh the duration, it wholly reapplies the DoTs along with any damage or crit chance bonuses you have active at the time.

It snapshots the DoTs, though the ticks are still being registered as separated instances according to ACT. Or at least that's what my friend says and he only half mains bard. I'd at least imagine it being the same mechanic as bane (whenever it actually does happen). Either case I'll concede to ironjaws going both ways or synchronizing DoT ticks; I really can't get my bard up to that level before seeing all my wasted BL procs making me rage quit.

I'd still vouch that oGCD is still pretty damn important though when it comes to being ready to hit bloodletter when it procs, having blunt arrow (honestly current content doesn't have any mobs that require silencing, and MCH has this too so you'd want to use it off cooldown if were to compare the two) and fire arrow ready. Repelling shot was also nice for the times you could run up to boss for free damage; combine that with clumsy movement/cast detection and it's become a situational skill even for avoidance. And its probably just me, but it also seems very cumbersome to even toggle off WM or other songs compared to GB when cast times are there.

I do have a question about parsers which I'm hoping some will answer for me. The data that it shows in relation to DPS output, Is it measuring that output during single attacks , or is it adding it all up from beginning of fight until the end? I don't know if I'm framing my question properly.

It takes into account all damage dealt in the encounter then averages it as DPS (damage per second) relative to how long the fight was. So AoE or multidotting would inflate numbers, while long phases without damage will dilute it as well.

[Maero]

Fact is at the end of the day it absolutely ruined Bard's playstyle, they used to weave Off-GCD abilities that proc'd for short intervals between their other abilities and now even the slightest flaw will absolutely tank their DPS.

And they used to be super mobile, we already have enough casters in this game with cast bards (oops, cast BARS) and so Bard was the only option for people who didn't want cast timers out their butt.

With MCH? I can understand the Gauss barrel cast times BECAUSE IT IS NEW. Bards? BARDS ARE OLD!!!!!!! People playing Bard for months, even YEARS didn't ask for this playstyle of casting! We already have BLM if we want cast times >.>



Bards are now just bow-mages. They aren't Bards anymore.

Real curious do you have an alt? Because you are always commenting on both Bard and blm, none of which you even have the jobs unlocked....

[Haku_Fantasy]

This flame really gets fanned a lot. According to what Yoshi-P said in the live letter WM is here to stay, yes it can feel slightly clunky still and you get an albeit short cast on your WS it still kind of flipped my world upside down when I started using it. But after the patch it is WORTH using for bursts of damage. BRD was never boring to those that mained it since 2.0 which is why most of us reacted negatively to this tacked on ability that didn't feel Bard-ish.

For a SMN to start this thread an say I don't find it fun is YOUR opinion. You say BRD is boring cause you repeat the same steps over and over...have you played this game? Everyone repeats the same rotation OVER AND OVER.

[Haku_Fantasy]

Part 2 of my post:

WM still makes us BRDs per se, we can use our songs during this stance to support the party given the situation while still maintaining decent output of damage to get past checks. Our mobility is still in tact we only lost our run and gun style while under it...so just cycle it on and off in the given situation.

I'm not so fond of WM but it is a tool I will utilize to play/enjoy the game I actually love.

[Kayote]

I feel funny seeing people who don't know about bard saying like they know a lot. To be honest most Bard player hate new playstyle,

Uh, no. MOST dont hate it. Some overly vocalized BRD's do. Most actually have adapted and are indifferent, or are ok with it. Some even like and prefer it. So I dont know where youre getting this "most" from. Honestly, since our DPS has gone back up and BRDs are getting better and better with WM, all I see are the haters nitpicking the tiniest details of what it has changed.

First off, whether or not you can or cant "weave" more BL's or SS procs into a single GCD is completely irrelevant so long as our DPS is balanced and doing well. Rotation isnt even that different! It still consists of the same GCD>oGCD gameplay we had before, minus the ability to excessively run/hop around like a headless chicken. They didnt "kill" BRD's, they changed them. And not by much tbh. We can still kick ass during movement phases. Our mobility, while admittedly more limited than before, isnt completely gone as we have time to move and shoot after every GCD similar to what we had before can still do when mechanics call for it by switching off WM. Other casters would kill to have this perk so .....

[SendohJin]

You can hardly be given more songs...BRD was (and probably still is) borderline op to the point all statics want at least one.

this is not a relevant comment.

there are 8 spots in a static group and all relevant content should be designed for this layout.
2 tanks - PLD/WAR/DRK
2 healers - SCH/WHM/AST
4 DPS
- 2 melee - MNK/DRG/NIN
- 1 caster - BLM/SMN
- 1 ranged - BRD/MCH

the 3 jobs for 2 slots is actually more desirable than the 2 jobs for 1 slot.

the problem in 2.x was that instead of releasing MCH and having that compete with the BRD slot, they released NIN and had that compete with the melee DPS slot.

if for any reason all statics want at least 1 BRD still in the 3.x era it's because MCH is underpowered. so the solution should be fixing that.

[Maero]

Uh, no. MOST dont hate it. Some overly vocalized BRD's do. Most actually have adapted and are indifferent, or are ok with it. Some even like and prefer it. So I dont know where youre getting this "most" from. Honestly, since our DPS has gone back up and BRDs are getting better and better with WM, all I see are the haters nitpicking the tiniest details of what it has changed.

I think the person you quoted had the idea because you know there is like 10 Bard complaint threads all of which are over 10 pages, lol

But i very much agree with you

[Syll]

I call BS, until you have some proof to show for that. Mainly because most of the bosses there have high-hitting cleaves that absolutely wreck non-tanks. It may be possible, but I really doubt that anyone can manage to beat the final boss without a tank. Unless you call up Titan-Egi, then yes, it's possible. So correct me if it was a Titan-Egi. Still needs proof though. @_@

That run is how i discovered titan-egi holds hate better than most DF tanks.

[otarolgam]

That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
Where's this fun factor you speak of?

Sometimes people find an easy job fun.

I liked Bard 2.0 cause it was easy.

I hated Bard 3.0 at first cause it was a drastic change, sure... but then the damage buff came.

It's sorta clunky a bit still, but that's what happens when a company changes stuff up.

And I'll admit, the cast timers are annoying, but... we definitely do have it better than Magic Casters.

[SonTensei]

That's precisely what I don't understand. I'm banging my head on the wall trying to figure out what was exactly fun about this job. BRD had 4 GCD skills, straight shot, 2 dots and heavy shot. Your entire rotation consisted on 4 buttons. All you had to was weave your buffs, bloodletters, misery's end and if you really were serious about it repelling shot and blunt arrow between your 4 GCD skills. It was a job that literally took 3 days to min max.
Where's this fun factor you speak of?

Gallus maybe you make the assumption that most players are hardcore super elitists. this isnt the case.