Bard and Wanderer's Minuet use it

[Rhysati]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion. I'll see if it's now at least useable after the fixes, but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

[SakuraMidori]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion. I'll see if it's now at least useable after the fixes, but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

Then you may end up being kicked for not using it and that won't be fun i'm guessing

[SovereignAegis]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion. I'll see if it's now at least useable after the fixes, but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

This ^^

Screw Wanderer's Bow-Mage gameplay.


All of us got used to Bard's gameplay and CHOSE IT over blackmage/other casters. If we wanted cast times we woulda gone blackmage. This is a MASSIVE change in gameplay.

[Atmora]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion. I'll see if it's now at least useable after the fixes, but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

If you're good it's numerically superior but still really clunky.

[fanservice]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion.

Yeah yeah...

but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

... why... and who gave you 15 upvotes...? This line of thinking is poison.

[Malevicton]

Because I didn't roll and main a bard to have the playstyle completely change in the expansion. I'll see if it's now at least useable after the fixes, but I'm primarily going to continue playing the way I want. Thanks.

I know it's already been said, but wow. I'm amazed and horrified that this is getting any sort of support, let alone that it seems to be the prevailing opinion in this thread. This is practically the definition of childish. There are perfectly reasonable ways to express dissatisfaction, and this is not close to being one of them.

I don't expect everyone to be super-pro-elite all the time, but there's a huge difference between expecting perfect execution, and expecting people to not intentionally lower their contribution. If this attitude really takes hold among bards, the rest of us are not going to point our frustration at SE; we're gonna direct it at brds. Please don't make yourselves a hated job. It's entirely avoidable.

[Wavaryen]

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That is not saying much. This community has always abused classes they don't feel is up to par, or does not equal to what they want in groups. The whole community thing, and respect to each other has been lost long ago. We will play bard how we enjoy it, and if we get kicked out of groups. That is a small price to pay for what we find enjoyable.

[Garlyle]

That is not saying much. This community has always abused classes they don't feel is up to par, or does not equal to what they want in groups. The whole community thing, and respect to each other has been lost long ago. We will play bard how we enjoy it, and if we get kicked out of groups. That is a small price to pay for what we find enjoyable.

Would you accept a summoner or scholar not using their pet because they "don't like managing it"?
A paladin not turning on shield oath when tanking because "I can hold aggro just fine"?
A black mage not using enochian because "I didn't sign up to manage a stack"?
Hell, would you accept another bard not using Wind Bite/Venomous Shot because "I'm not here to play a DoT class"?
etc etc

The price you're paying isn't just what you're paying - it's what you're making everyone else that you play with pay too, because you're choosing to sabotage your own capabilities, so they have to make up for yours.

[LazyC]

Would you accept a summoner or scholar not using their pet because they "don't like managing it"?
A paladin not turning on shield oath when tanking because "I can hold aggro just fine"?
etc etc

The price you're paying isn't just what you're paying - it's what you're making everyone else that you play with pay too, because you're choosing to sabotage your own capabilities, so they have to make up for yours.

not that i directly agree either way overall ( i do dislike WM but whatever)

but this comparison doesnt work, summoners deal with pets right from the start 1-60 (i think? do they? never played one), and if they dont like dealing with pets then they wouldn't bother leveling it all the way to 60.

Paladins obviously get shield oath far later then they probably should(no idea why SE did this) its early enough that you get very used to it and it doesnt change how the class plays by having it on, like WM does.

[Malevicton]

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First of all, saying that the community (which by the way is not one cohesive thing; you're a part of it as well, it has no consistent ideology or definition) has "always abused classes they don't feel [are] up to par" is a pretty loaded statement worth its own discussion. It's definitely not something you can just throw out there as being axiomatically true.

The second part... well you didn't really even have a point as far as I can tell. You just said that you'll continue playing in a way you know upsets the people around you, and they can just deal with it. You're not doing a good job of convincing me this isn't childish behavior. If you agree that you're being childish and just don't care then I guess we're at an impasse.

You're not going to convince me that it's okay to intentionally sabotage group content for no other reason than it being fun for you. There's a term for that: griefing.