So, the Fractal Continuum (spoilers)

[Frederick22]

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As the lore says the elezen are suppose to be here even before the first umbral era, that pre dates the allags.
Im not saing that the allagans have the same cultural structures and the garleans, but lets think. On the garleans is tipicaly the native pure blood garleans ( light hair and the third eye ).On the allags tehy could have the same structure most sure since they were a big empire with lots of coquer territories, but im guessing that the ppl who had the high race cultural priority would have being the native allag hyur-elezen. Makes sence since they both have high advantajes and toghether they could have being a terrible combination ( force, stargegy, knowlenge and widsom ). The thing with amon (now I also remember that he is a bard, beacuse of his "weird" personality of singing and being the center of atraction, probably insane too ) makes me believe he had a high rank on the empire, despite he looked like he was the right hand of the emperor.

[Naria]

As the lore says the elezen are suppose to be here even before the first umbral era, that pre dates the allags.

As far as I know the lore only states that the Elezen say they were here first and in the First Umbral era. No one from the lore team has made an out-of-world official comment. As I said, unreliable exposition.

Anyways, wild theories are fun. On the one hand I feel like the beast tribes have had a number done on them with so many of their cherished beliefs have been shown to be flawed, I kinda feel it is the other races' turn (and not just Ishgard, because that was heavily foreshadowed). On the other, I honestly do hope that it isn't this simple and almost everything is "ALLAGANS".

We will never have all the answers anyways, because what else would the lore forums have to talk about?

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Maybe their 3rd eye served a function? Though I dont know why not being able to use Magic can be an advantage.

Maybe not being able to use magic is a defect. Or maybe it is a consequence of whatever reason they have a third eye for.

[myahele]

I agree, it seems as if many beastribes are suspect of potentially being Allagan creation. Ixal are all but confirmed to be an artificially created.

Created or not, i do believe that the Vanu Vanu were tasked with protecting the key to Azys Lla: They knew about the key, convenient or not Bismark did swallow the island where the key was held, they seem to have been to have been pretty brutal/violent. Most important is that they pretty much had a self sustained habitat since they had those crystals (only located there?) that conveniently converts the moisture of the air and turns it into water.

There's also that UFO

[Frederick22]

Goin back the fractal continum. Recent theorys said that Garuda could have bing a living winged ixal that ( like Moises ) set his ppl free from their allag masters. But if we said that the primals are beings created with by the imagination of people, based on mytological figures there is something i quite not understand. Ethys Asher talked about very interesting things about the origins of the primals and on who they were representated. On Garuda i think not sure, yes she looks like a n Ixali, but with the lore of ffxiv, why she has humanoid aspects? Why the Ixaly would imagine something like an angel of somekind, if the original one could have being an Ixaly that free his people? and lol if the ixal were created by they allags for slave work, how could they have espace or rather gave them the motivation too? If bahamut couldnt scape, why would they?

My theory is that the real Garuda ( if that has her true name ) was not an ixal, but most probable an allag.

[myahele]

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We pretty much find out that Primals are the imagination of people given physical form. They are not that person at all, but merely the idealization. The Ixal paint Garuda as a Warrior of justice savior of the Ixal, after thousands of years they more or less develop an idealized image of her: A Fallen and Beautiful Angel of Salvation.

The best example I can give is the original Knights of the 12 vs the Primal Knights of the 12. They were NEVER giants clad in heavy armor, they were just regular Elezen knights as seen in the cutscenes. Why do they look that way? Because the people ended making statues of the Knights and for 1000 years that's what the people idealized them to look. The same could be said about all the the other beast tribes, perhaps they had statues and/or paintings of their respective Primals and unconsciously used that as a basis.

For many Christians, there is not (or should not) a depiction of God, yet there's still an idealized image of how God might look.

From what I gather it seems like imagination (if you don't know how the person looked like irl) + prayer + ??? + aether = Primal

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Someone said it and I just wanted to clear it up: "Eikons" is little more than the Garlean term for Primals.

Also, possible future idea, based on all the life experimentation the Allagans were into. . . ANIMA! Perhaps Anima could be a primal borne out of Allagan experiments to reanimate the dead or bind voidsent to the dead, and - while successful - drove the subjects mad, leaving them praying for death from the pain of the forced life support!

Oh man, that has my mind racing now. . .

[PArcher]

Someone said it and I just wanted to clear it up: "Eikons" is little more than the Garlean term for Primals.

Sorry, its not. The Garleans discovered the term and use it as a catch-all for anything that is Primal-like; its basically them copying the Allagans in their pride, but having no idea what the term really means.

Go kill the EX Primals; it is explained that Eikons are NOT Primals, they are something far greater. Primals are but mortal desire made manifest through aether. We don't know exactly what an Eikon is yet, but we have reason to fear them.

[Frederick22]

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You missed my entire point. I knew everything you said already, but that doesnt change the thing that my theory could be right

[LystAP]

There was a note on the recent Letter from the Producer that if you completed the Ixal beast tribe quests, one of the NPCs in the friendly Ixal hangout will have new dialogue. Anyone check yet?

[Lucke]

There was a note on the recent Letter from the Producer that if you completed the Ixal beast tribe quests, one of the NPCs in the friendly Ixal hangout will have new dialogue. Anyone check yet?

The NPC you talk to that gives info on the Ixal senses you were at "Atalan" (sp.), but you have to beat the Fractual Continuum first I believe. When you enter from the low level side of North Shroud, he's to your right walking in, across from the merchant.