Bard without Wanderer's Minuet

[Jaibamon]

Viable? Yeah. Efficient? mmm... nope. Learn how to play with WM, you'll deal more damage but you will loss some mobility, it seems like a nice tradeoff.

[Blaste]

Actually there is no trade off or middle ground for this, they effectively destroyed the playstyle of bard, its either use WM or pretty much don't expect to go any further with the content cause you will be kicked from group as Ive seen, THANKS SE for effectively making the bard play the way you guys want it to, there were other solutions that could have been made for this, even with the latest fix you nerfed our SW attack with less potentency and buffed WM as the tradeoff to basically say "HEY you guys play bard the way we want you to, nevermind how it was for the past 2 years....you want to keep going in the content with this class then you switch to a caster roll or GTFO...", yup Im quite annoyed..

[SirionArmar]

This is at present one of the biggest issues on why I argue against WM on Bard.

Ah, thought I would see you here, seeing as though you love to add to the salt pile of the BRD issue; started some of your own threads, messaged in basically all of them, etc. even thought you are a lv 32 BRD so therefore have no right to discuss issues people may have on WM. Do everyone a favour, stop trying to be a keyboard warrior, change your signature to something more appropriate, and think before messaging in forums about a class you have no mastery over. Not everyone thinks WM is a bad thing, learn to accept that and move on.

None of us wanted to play BOW MAGE. We wanted to play a BARD

Yeah, actually go and play bard then. kthxbai

[Dualblade]

Something I'd like to point out here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3128466

Knowing when to change stances...is basically them saying they aren't expecting you to be in WM at ALL times (more so now that there is no cast time), but instead when you feel you need it. There a time when you don't need to move at all? (Say Ravana Prelude to Liberation, or in Garuda EX where you are mainly staying in one place when you actually are hitting her.) WM a go! Need to dodge alot of stuff? Switch it off and keep DPSing.

[Reneo]

Viable? Yeah. Efficient? mmm... nope. Learn how to play with WM, you'll deal more damage but you will loss some mobility, it seems like a nice tradeoff.

Thing is not many people understand the concept of tradeoffs. I mean, every damn job in this game has one. They were given a tool to have their damage increased and they can toggle on and off WM.

It's a blessing.

The cast times are so damn short. >.>

[Reneo]

Caster? Are you kidding me? You just stand still to have increased damage. You could still deal damage while moving. Don't you understand how lucky you guys are?

Learn to stance dance or you know, just beg yoshi-p to take off WM and let bards deal with their lack of damage.

No boost for you.

[Reneo]

Viable? Yeah. Efficient? mmm... nope. Learn how to play with WM, you'll deal more damage but you will loss some mobility, it seems like a nice tradeoff.

Thing is not many people understand the concept of tradeoffs. I mean, every damn job in this game has one. They were given a tool to have their damage increased and they can toggle on and off WM.

It's a blessing.

[StrejdaTom]

Dungeons, Aoe fights - use it please.
Fights like Ravana EM, Alex 4? Not worth it.

[mb52139]

Thing is not many people understand the concept of tradeoffs. I mean, every damn job in this game has one. They were given a tool to have their damage increased and they can toggle on and off WM.

It's a blessing.

The cast times are so damn short. >.>

But none of the other classes had such a tradeoff come at such ahigh price. We sacrifice everything we know of the class and start new.

[RiisWolf]

Mobilty? I seen more BRD fail to get out of the way. MASSIVE tunnel vision. Also don't get why peeps move so much over nothing.

3.0's cast time? Let's forget about all the songs you'd have to use mid-fight that also weakens you. At least you wouldn't be stuck in it for 15 secs like 3.01. Thanks guys, enjoy something that's even less forgiving especially if you stink at timing. :|

Damage? Here's a thing to think about. Everyone who does higher DPS than BRDs all must stop what they're doing to navigate the AoE storms. Sure almost all of us have a weak instant range options but guess who's always on top? Not BRDs.

Obsessed with never ending streams of GCD attacks? We all would love to do that, but we can't. Trash doesn't count, and you got songs. What exactly did you expect? And this song instead of powering you down, powers you up.

I'm with some of the peeps going on about how a lot of the complaints about 3.0's WM was mostly from BRDs who never used it correctly.