So, the Fractal Continuum (spoilers)

[myahele]

It seems like the 1st Xande conquered alot of the world and with his death: stagnation to the Empire which and losing of territories. Then Amon created Xande Clone and with him the Allagans were able to regain lost territory AND maybe the rest of the world at the time.

Since Xande 2 was a clone, they clearly had to have been experimenting prior to that. But it seems as if CT then Dalamud was created during Xande Clone's reign.

Summoners were also power hungry and they were the Elite Soldiers at the time. I can see Allag to be similar to Xenogear's Solaris: an evil technologically advanced empire where despite being militarily aggressive, the 1st class citizens remain ignorant of all the atrocities that their gov't has done. At least up until the WoL at the time told them about it.

....but where was the Triad in all of this? They've had them since the the founding of the Empire,yet they were never truly used and I get the feeling that the Flagship (and Azys Lla) was a later Allagan creation

[Frederick22]

Im ignorant to this who was the WoL of that era? Dont tell it was the final boss of CT aka LoA

[myahele]

Im ignorant to this who was the WoL of that era? Dont tell it was the final boss of CT aka LoA

I probably need to read up on the NOAH files, but that giant Boss we fight in LotA was Phlegmeton who was a former Allagan War Hero who lead a rebellion against the Allagan Empire/ Clone Xande. I don't think Phlegmethon was a WoL, but might be possible he helped them.

He lost and as punishment he got himself converted into that + mind-controlled and must now be forced to defend the same person he rebelled against.

Off subject, but it seems obvious that the Allagan had the tech to transform themselves into giant glowing things, but that seems to be under Xande Clone's reign

[Naria]

We can only confirm elezen and hyurs. Those where the races that fromed the allags.

Unless I'm missing something (and please point me in the direction of it if I am) we don't know for sure that the elezen were part of the dominate/ruling group of Allag. If I recall, this idea comes from the fact that Nael used Elezen animations in 1.0 and claimed that he was descended from them. Livia used Elezen animations as well, and we now know that she was definitely Garlean. The clones in the Crystal Tower storyline at least looked Hyur.

The Keepers of the Moon have stories of some family lines dating back to the First Astral Era, but the Ixal and the Moogles have stories as well. Those myths we now know did have some basis in fact--but only a basis. "Warring tribes" is pretty vague after all.

Considering that so many of the races are "humans w/ extras" I'm inclined at the moment to think that the Allagans were Hyur and that at least the other playable races and the Garleans were created from them. Not to mention, some of the beast races were probably flat out created by them.

Ugh now this has got me wondering about the Pajal too. Sure the elementals are connected to them now but we have a Pajal language in game that seems to predate Gridania. Were the Pajal once a race like the six we have now and ended up dying out? Are the elementals in fact some how "activating" dormant Pajal genes that have survived in human lines like the Senna? Were they too created by the Allagans?

. . .gah where is that mene picture? "ALLAGANS" indeed.

[Frederick22]

Amon was not al elezen? looks his ears and this physical from, despite he was mutated to be even taller ><

[Fenral]

Im ignorant to this who was the WoL of that era? Dont tell it was the final boss of CT aka LoA

Phlegethon was one of them, presumably. My guess from the Salina namedrop is that their leader was named either Desch or Owen. My crazier theory is that the party also consisted of us, sent back to the past, as well as G'raha Tia himself. G'raha may even be his own ancestor, who remained behind in the past after we saved Salina from the Calamity. This is all just me trying to rationalize what he could have seen in Salina's memories that convinced him that he had to stay behind in the Tower, since the answer he gave us doesn't really jive with the usual "you decide who you are for yourself" message at the core of basically every FF ever. Also, like, FF9 parallels, anyone? The answer you've searched for your entire life doesn't define who you really are.

My other crack theory is that the Allagans' WoL failed outright, and Salina herself was the last survivor of the conservative camp, who believed that the Allagans' lifestyle was perfect for everyone until Xande came along. To her, seeing that prior lifestyle given as a gift to the future would seem like the "correct" atonement for the evils she attributed entirely to Xande. This latter theory is meant to reconcile the discrepancies between G'raha's parting speech and Doga and Unei's earlier history lecture.

But either way, we have no idea if that period of history will ever be revisited at this time.

[Cilia]

. . .gah where is that mene picture? "ALLAGANS" indeed.

Here you go!

[Frederick22]

Livia was a garlean, his sister was a gearlean, confirmed. Nael said that he had allagan ancestors, NOT elezen acestors. Padjas were created by the elementals after the pact of the ppl living on the forest and the elementals.

[myahele]

While I don't think that any of the spoken/"human" races were created by the Allagans, that doesn't mean they weren't experimented on and the result of that experimentation was able to make a sub clan of one of the main races

Given the recent revelations, I believe that pure-blooded Garleans were the result of Allagan experimentation. Just like the Ixalion may have devolved into Ixals, proto-Garleans may have been different? Maybe their 3rd eye served a function? Though I dont know why not being able to use Magic can be an advantage.

[Naria]

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Thank you.

Padjas were created by the elementals after the pact of the ppl living on the forest and the elementals.

. . . or so the Gridanians believe. So much knowledge is lost in the Umbral eras they could have originated as an Allagan experiment w/ elementals (we know they were experimenting with voidsent) but have been a flawed creation that ended up dying off, except for dormant genes in some hyur bloodlines (crossbreeding). Perhaps the elementals just capitalized on this, reactivating those genes and "creating" the modern Pajal to be intermediaries. Maybe they freeze them as children because this hypothetical genetic flaw does not manifest until adulthood. Oddly enough, we already have an example of elementals acting as keepers or collectors of lost knowledge/tech with White Magic and Ampador.

Amon was not al elezen? looks his ears and this physical from, despite he was mutated to be even taller ><

I'll give you that he looks to be Elezen, but he was a scientist not necessary born nobility/ruling class. That does not mean that the elezen were not "created" by the the Allagans. The Garleans, who try model themselves after the Allagans have a way to assimilate members of "lesser" races into higher classes, who is to say that the Allagans didn't also?

. . . Which is kinda the problem isn't it? We know so little about the planet's history and we have a great deal of unreliable exposition in the game. The Lamia are a great example of this. Any bit that seems to be reliable can lead to wild speculations and theories.

. . . at least for me.

At least we know they did not create the Ascians.

/darksteelfoilhat off