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  1. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    I'm actually doubtful it was from Dalamud. Compare every other piece of Dalamud wreckage in Eorzea with it, and there is a distinct different. The stuff in the Aery seems to have arrived there in a much gentler fashion to anything that came flying off Dalamud.
    I say you have it backwards, and it's the Aery itself which was built on top of some other Allagan structure. But what? Part of Azys Lla that came with Nidhogg when he escaped?
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    I kind of figured the Moogle Mog legend with them serving the Gods to instead be the dragons and pre-Ishgardians; Land and Skylords, as the Mists Moogles call them. Moogle Mog was meant to lead the Moogles to the surface when the Gods started fighting? There was fire from the heavens? Certainly sounds like dragon fire to me, and the landscape of the Churning Mists certainly looks like Nidhogg went absolutely ballistic, half the trees are melted/etc. and something causes Mok Oogle Island to end up where it is.

    I would assume the start of the war between the Landlords and Skylords is what lead King Moogle Mog to lead his kin to the surface.
    Pedantic correction: Moggle. Good King Moggle Mog was likely once Chieftain Moggle (his name even fits the conventions of the Moghome clan).

    With what little information we have, the idea that this is and has always been at least in part about dragons is the very first infant theory that comes to mind. Before Ishgard made war with them, before Ishgard's ancestors made peace and war with them, before the Allag enslaved them, could the very first Umbral Era have involved conflict with dragons, as well? Perhaps the true history is that the first Umbral Era is when we were separated from dragonkind, who it seems are meant to protect this world. Midgardsormr himself has a pact with Hydaelyn and accused us of "forgetting the face of our lord." I'd considered it before, it there was nothing to build that theory upon; I'm coming back to it now that we have some possible evidence. Dragons and Eikons... Eikons and Dragons... </bubblepipe>
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    Last edited by Anonymoose; 07-12-2015 at 01:16 AM.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balipu View Post
    Compare the picture on page one with my one on page eleven. It is getting closer a lot.
    How certain are we that this just isn't an illusion created by each new sighting being from a different perspective? From it being in a different location?

    Looking at the page one and page eleven screenshots, the page eleven one does appear to be a lot closer, but the page one screenshot has it much further in perspective anyway. To the very left on page one you can see an island with a tree, which I think is the very same island that is central in the later screenshot. It is coming up to the island in the later screenshot, so appears to be very close, while in the original screenshot it has flown right past the island for a while, so appears to be very far away. That could simply be its predetermined cycle; It comes in, flies close to that island, then flies away.

    Really need two screenshots of it in the same part of its cycle to properly compare. All the current comparison tells me is that it flies away after getting close to that island, it doesn't really suggest it is actually getting progressively closer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    I say you have it backwards, and it's the Aery itself which was built on top of some other Allagan structure. But what? Part of Azys Lla that came with Nidhogg when he escaped?
    Possible, but would it be built like that? Just random pieces of some Allag device strutting out randomly? I'm more incline to think Nidhogg fled from Azys Lla, still partly bound, arrived in the Aery and removed the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Pedantic correction: Moggle.
    Blame Mok Oogl Island... xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    With what little information we have, the idea that this is and has always been at least in part about dragons is the very first infant theory that comes to mind. Before Ishgard made war with them, before Ishgard's ancestors made peace and war with them, before the Allag enslaved them, could the very first Umbral Era have involved conflict with dragons, as well? Perhaps the true history is that the first Umbral Era is when we were separated from dragonkind, who it seems are meant to protect this world. Midgardsormr himself has a pact with Hydaelyn and accused us of "forgetting the face of our lord." I'd considered it before, it there was nothing to build that theory upon; I'm coming back to it now that we have some possible evidence. Dragons and Eikons... Eikons and Dragons... </bubblepipe>
    Once again I'm left lamenting the fact that we can't ask questions, because were I actually my character, I'd have questioned Midgardsormr to death by now.
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    Last edited by Nalien; 07-12-2015 at 01:23 AM.

  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    Possible, but would it be built like that? Just random pieces of some Allag device strutting out randomly? I'm more incline to think Nidhogg fled from Azys Lla, still partly bound, arrived in the Aery and removed the rest.
    They could have been covered originally? I'll admit it's a weak theory, since we don't exactly need Allagan tech to justify these floating islands, anyway, but the place isn't exactly mint anymore.
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  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Perhaps the true history is that the first Umbral Era is when we were separated from dragonkind, who it seems are meant to protect this world.
    I've long theorized that dragons have some sort of special connection to aether/lifestream energies, and messing with them is a key part of the Ascian's plans for disrupting things so they can awaken Zodiark.

    One thing that really stood out to me in the recent story, is the revelation that a dragon can consume a person and hold their soul indefinitely, not allowing it to return to the lifestream. At least this is what Hrae did with Shiva. And he speaks as if there is still some part of her 'self' within him that he can feel... I wonder what would happen if a dragon ate an ascian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balipu View Post
    Compare the picture on page one with my one on page eleven. It is getting closer a lot.
    I think when I saw it it was even closer than that, which is a bit frightening. I wonder if we'll start seeing it below us in the in-bounds regions of the Churning Mists and Sea of Clouds?
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    I say you have it backwards, and it's the Aery itself which was built on top of some other Allagan structure. But what? Part of Azys Lla that came with Nidhogg when he escaped?
    There was a place in 1.0 northwest Coerthas called The Aerie; is it possible that it was brought up into the sky as a result of the Calamity and became the Aery? Would potentially explain the Allagan bits without assuming Nidhogg was the captive.
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  8. #138
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    Maybe its the new 24 man raid location?
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    There was a place in 1.0 northwest Coerthas called The Aerie; is it possible that it was brought up into the sky as a result of the Calamity and became the Aery? Would potentially explain the Allagan bits without assuming Nidhogg was the captive.
    I get the feeling the Aery is just another structure in the churning mists that serves as Nidhoggs home, just as there are two other ones there for two other dragons. As in, it's been there for 1000 years.
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  10. #140
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    I think eistein said that the aery became like that when nidhogg went defensive mode
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