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  1. #41
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    QiLymePye's Avatar
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    Bloody Knuckles
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaHoshino View Post
    If people already don't read tooltips or do guildhests, what makes you think they'd use tutorials? The tools to learn how to play your class are right there; the problem is that the majority of the players don't care enough to use them.
    And I agree, but think about it. Why would they need to read? Just like in my previous post, the game is so easy to solo, why would they need to do guildheist? And the game is soooo easy, so they must be doing something good, right? SE needs to up the difficulty and challenge way before endgame, hell before you hit lvl 30. Its not the players fault, especially the "casual" player, who is having tons of fun cause they punishing the game, but doing it solo. You can't have people working solo for a very long time, then throw them together and expect them all to function as a team. THIS AIN'T AVENGERS!!!!!!! lol
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  2. #42
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    Freyar's Avatar
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    Ostrogniew Radlutasch
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    Balmung
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    Sage Lv 90
    Part of the problem is that the new jobs started at level 30, not at level 1. I've got nowhere NEAR the amount of time and practice that I had for WHM.. as a result, I feel utterly incompetent with MCH. It's a bit difficult to be trying to adapt to a whole new playstyle halfway through the leveling curve.
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  3. #43
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    Catwho's Avatar
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Freyar View Post
    Part of the problem is that the new jobs started at level 30, not at level 1. I've got nowhere NEAR the amount of time and practice that I had for WHM.. as a result, I feel utterly incompetent with MCH. It's a bit difficult to be trying to adapt to a whole new playstyle halfway through the leveling curve.
    And this right here is why I was really hoping the new jobs would start at level 1.
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  4. #44
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    Reaperking386's Avatar
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    Ertai Spelldragon
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    Diabolos
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    I am still against it. It is fine if you use it in your static, but once it is used in duty finder or anything else it can be used as a weapon to mock and gall at other players purely based on dps, which can result in attacking others. If you don't like that idea you should stay away from duty finder or a pf outside your static. I know there is a lot of armature players out there, but kicking them or mocking them will cause loss of players in the game. Yes, we all want to have fun, but no one likes it when people start to bully others. It kills the morale of the game and makes players hesitant to join a DF or PF. if you are good as you claim then teach them or at least tell them what they are doing wrong and try to help them. Stop being an elitist and be a mentor.
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  5. #45
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    Catwho's Avatar
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    Katarh Mest
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by RamzaRuglia View Post
    It's not just that, it's that the players are given new skills with no context at all. Some class/job quests are better than others, but most hand you some new "secret" technique and not even tell you what it's for. So, essentially you're just supposed to derp around with it even if you do read what it does, to be given another skill. Honestly, you also have people who don't read quest dialogue, or find x content used for leveling "boring" and thus only understand their job from FATE grinding (and if you're lucky they used same class/job to run the mandatory dungeons for MSQ).

    So, you've got lots of backseat players that no clue how to play their class/job, but they're geared and leveled, so they clearly are experts now. For example, I had a level 50 BLM argue with me that, "Transpose is a worthless skill and should never be used ever." They proceeded to say, "new players should not even bother to put it in their hotbar." The sad thing? There were someone else in the party that agreed! (Yes, we wasted so much time because, you guessed it, no MP.)
    So far the SMN quest have been the best. Y'Mhitra is like "I didn't find anything to help with the Plot, but I DID scrounge up a new spell for you to try." Bard had a great story, but the skills made no sense in relation to it.
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    Clarity

  7. 07-11-2015 01:52 PM
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    Clarity

  8. #46
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    Waffilicious's Avatar
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    Fabian Wafflemeister
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    Adamantoise
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    How about a lesson of basic dps in the guilds of each job, then there is the time trial you are ilv capped and you have X amount of time to beat your guildmaster dps record.

    Sadly if they put this idea people could still harrass other with pf saying (guildmaster record beaten or you aren't decent dps) or something like that.
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  9. #47
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    Verius_Nox's Avatar
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    Whispering Crow
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post

    Better = killed it quicker than your last try (obviously within the same group)
    Worse = you didn't kill it.

    I'm not sure why you need to see the exact numbers for making the boss dead.
    Not really. There are 4 DPS(in a raid setting), and most people are fairly vain. You don't clear because you're not meeting the DPS check(s), well DerpDRG think he's doing fine, it's the other 3 that aren't doing the DPS needed, when it could be him not applying enough DPS himself to help with it, but how would DerpDRG know? He's a god in his eyes, and nothing is telling him otherwise.

    Inverse, you could be actually doing the best you absolutely can as your class, the pinnacle of DPS. A couple others are simply throwing bouncy balls at their keys and seeing which skills get used and laughing to themselves, and you don't meet the DPS check as a result and wipe. The paragon of DPS, without some way to measure themselves, may think.. "Maybe i'm doing it wrong" or "what can I do better", but how can they know they can do better or if they're doing anything wrong? They don't even know they're a god among mortal dps.

    Judging based on whether or not you killed it quicker or not at all is extremely vague and leads to anecdotal conviction without any substantial proof.

    I never booted anyone for low DPS when I lead raids in WoW, Rift, and other games that allowed parsers. I'd evaluate them through out the entire session, and if they did not improve, I would pull them aside and guide them to resources that would enable them to increase their DPS on their own accord. Some were very accepting and appreciative that I helped sit down with them and go over what they could do to improve, and some told me to go eat sh*t.

    Guess who continued raiding and clearing?
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  10. #48
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    Draciella's Avatar
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    Draciella Karla
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    Phoenix
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RamzaRuglia View Post
    Those scary squirrels don't kill themselves you know. :P

    In all honesty you are right though. Here's the first 2 that popped into mind.

    CNJ: Hey, you're a healer? Here's a bunch of DPS quests... but don't heal anyone.

    BRD: Oh you're a Bard? NEVER USE YOUR SONGS... wat?
    You see the issue my friend!
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  11. #49
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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Verius_Nox View Post
    They tell you to play better, put in dps checks everywhere, but ban the usage of parsers.

    How can one know what they're doing is any better or worse than if they did it another way, without some way to measure?
    How can you see if you get better if not with DPS checks?
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  12. #50
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Cirra Maru
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 70
    Even if the game writes a rotation down for you there is still no guarantee that people will read it. You try to help players who need help and they just don't read a single word you write. The only people who want to learn to play better will actively look for ways to play better, the people who don't care will just blunder on through.
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