PLEASE Learn from your mistakes......

[AlexNiculaie]

I don't mean to be negative or anything

Liar. If you are going to post a negative (if slightly childish) rant, at least own it. As it is, they are communicating fine. Sometimes, all one can give is a vague statement. As for rushing stuff out, if that were the case, we would have already had 1.19 out with multiple bugs. They aren't in a position to hold back material for too long, and are in a bit of a catch 22.

[Azurymber]

Liar. If you are going to post a negative (if slightly childish) rant, at least own it. As it is, they are communicating fine. Sometimes, all one can give is a vague statement. As for rushing stuff out, if that were the case, we would have already had 1.19 out with multiple bugs. They aren't in a position to hold back material for too long, and are in a bit of a catch 22.

If they communicated properly there wouldn't be rage threads every day and there wouldn't be massive amounts of speculation. Other games do -not- experience this anywhere near the amount that FFXIV does. It results in a forum with almost no positive threads.

It doesn't take a year to reform an attribute and battle system. It shouldn't even take 2 months. It's a collection of variable and simple formulas and should be easy to tweak and adjust. If you look at posts from 4 months ago every white knight was arguing that 1.18 would fix the "core battle mechanics" problem and they would be able to release patches much faster after. As it stands the "core battle mechanics" won't be stable until after 1.20 which going by the 2-months between patches history will be november or december.

Edit: and the fact that people consider common sense to be childish or negative is just an example of the blindness of white knights.
Not pissing off your players every week with dooms-day speculation should be common sense
Not changing the entire core system of a game and breaking parts of it every patch should be common sense.

[DoctorMog]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]

Damn, guess I didnt get in before

"typical sarcastic response of forum trolls that don't actually play but think they know whats best for the game."

You win this round sir.

[SniperRifle]

Damn, guess I didnt get in before

"typical sarcastic response of forum trolls that don't actually play but think they know whats best for the game."

You win this round sir.

Idk how you do it Mog, but you manage to impress me on a consistent basis. It's like we see eye to eye but you can project what I'm thinking better then I can myself.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

If they communicated properly there wouldn't be rage threads every day and there wouldn't be massive amounts of speculation. Other games do -not- experience this anywhere near the amount that FFXIV does. It results in a forum with almost no positive threads.

It doesn't take a year to reform an attribute and battle system. It shouldn't even take 2 months. It's a collection of variable and simple formulas and should be easy to tweak and adjust. If you look at posts from 4 months ago every white knight was arguing that 1.18 would fix the "core battle mechanics" problem and they would be able to release patches much faster after. As it stands the "core battle mechanics" won't be stable until after 1.20 which going by the 2-months between patches history will be november or december.

Edit: and the fact that people consider common sense to be childish or negative is just an example of the blindness of white knights.
Not pissing off your players every week with dooms-day speculation should be common sense
Not changing the entire core system of a game and breaking parts of it every patch should be common sense.

I'm seriously upset that my previous comment to this was deleted and I was only telling the truth. I'll say it again, but without the f-word, which was censored btw. I'll like how calling someone out on their bullcrap is offensive to SE.

"You're such a hypocrite, first you say don't rush the game, next you're complaining that the patches are taking too long to come out. You can't have it both ways."

[Azurymber]

I'm seriously upset that my previous comment to this was deleted and I was only telling the truth. I'll say it again, but without the f-word, which was censored btw. I'll like how calling someone out on their bullcrap is offensive to SE.

"You're such a hypocrite, first you say don't rush the game, next you're complaining that the patches are taking too long to come out. You can't have it both ways."

umm if you read what i posted i did not say that in any way.
I said they shouldn't just rush things out for the purpose of having something done if they will change it again next patch
And I said they should have been able to fix the battle system within a month.
Theres no point in wasting time on content when it changes 2months later. Fix the core first, then fix the game.
Instead they said they are fixing the core (and you can't tell me tweaking battle algorithms take half a year) and instead spent tons of time on things like raids which will be completely different once battle algorithms are changed.

Kinda like if you build a building, you do the foundation fist, then the basement, and build up from there. You dont put together the top floor first then try to sneak under it and build the foundation and basement.... get what im saying?

[ViolentDjango]

If they communicated properly there wouldn't be rage threads every day and there wouldn't be massive amounts of speculation. Other games do -not- experience this anywhere near the amount that FFXIV does. It results in a forum with almost no positive threads.

It doesn't take a year to reform an attribute and battle system. It shouldn't even take 2 months. It's a collection of variable and simple formulas and should be easy to tweak and adjust. If you look at posts from 4 months ago every white knight was arguing that 1.18 would fix the "core battle mechanics" problem and they would be able to release patches much faster after. As it stands the "core battle mechanics" won't be stable until after 1.20 which going by the 2-months between patches history will be november or december.

Edit: and the fact that people consider common sense to be childish or negative is just an example of the blindness of white knights.
Not pissing off your players every week with dooms-day speculation should be common sense
Not changing the entire core system of a game and breaking parts of it every patch should be common sense.

Lol... What "other games" are you talking about? Because in my experience, just about any game with regular updates deals with this... People speculate, even when they know exactly what's coming. Unless SE gives line-by-line explanations of the code in the game, they'll be something people spend hours wondering about.

Its just part of the human condition, and there's nothing wrong with it, especially when the Development Team is actually looking into people's opinions and ideas for insight into things they can work on.

Edit: and the fact that people consider common sense to be childish or negative is just an example of the blindness of white knights.
Not pissing off your players every week with dooms-day speculation should be common sense
Not changing the entire core system of a game and breaking parts of it every patch should be common sense.

Presentation counts for a lot. Your point could be as factual as "air exists", but if you present it childishly, people will always call you on that. Retreating to rebuttals about how people are "white knights" doesn't help you get taken any more seriously, and the defensive insults definitely don't help drive your point home.

Frankly I disagree with most of what you said. They are working hard and making considerable progress with improving the game. We already have an ETA for when they want to be ready to relaunch, and we have a relatively detailed map of what they plan to do. I don't think we can really ask for more within reason. And its not "White Knight"-ism to say that giving them time to do work and make progress is reasonable. Its hard enough to program and design a game -- its even harder to design and adjust one that was built with lack of foresight.

Its not like we're paying for anything, or like we will be paying before the game relaunches -- so I don't feel there's a reason to rush any of it.

[Azurymber]

Lol... What "other games" are you talking about? Because in my experience, just about any game with regular updates deals with this... People speculate, even when they know exactly what's coming. Unless SE gives line-by-line explanations of the code in the game, they'll be something people spend hours wondering about.

Its just part of the human condition, and there's nothing wrong with it, especially when the Development Team is actually looking into people's opinions and ideas for insight into things they can work on.



Presentation counts for a lot. Your point could be as factual as "air exists", but if you present it childishly, people will always call you on that. Retreating to rebuttals about how people are "white knights" doesn't help you get taken any more seriously, and the defensive insults definitely don't help drive your point home.

Frankly I disagree with most of what you said. They are working hard and making considerable progress with improving the game. We already have an ETA for when they want to be ready to relaunch, and we have a relatively detailed map of what they plan to do. I don't think we can really ask for more within reason. And its not "White Knight"-ism to say that giving them time to do work and make progress is reasonable. Its hard enough to program and design a game -- its even harder to design and adjust one that was built with lack of foresight.

Its not like we're paying for anything, or like we will be paying before the game relaunches -- so I don't feel there's a reason to rush any of it.

when i played Hello Kitty Online when it was with aeria games (and i was a gamesage on it) the game sucked. It was broken and mobs were like impossible to kill even in the first area and everyone knew it. But everyone still had fun. There weren't many complaint threads and most people focused on community and fun events (some of which i held). It was a -very- different environment and the community was like 90% 25-30 yr olds.

Star Wars TOR boards right now seem a lot less trollish and complainy than here.

And while XI had complaint threads, there weren't nearly as many, because they never really told anyone what was in a patch till it was out

Perfect World (which essentially suck) also has/had way less complaint threads than here

i dont believe EVE online has a lot of complaint threads

And since when do we have an ETA for relaunch? Isn't that speculation -right there-? link to where the ETA is?