This new bard play style blows.

[Gilraen]

I fully agree with everything you just said. I just think part of the problem is player perception at the moment, believing that bard is meant to be a pure DPS when it really isn't.

Which is pretty blind considering 4 of Bard's original 5 Job abilities were support song related and the 5th, Rain of Death, was largely relegated to a single off-proc use before Wide Volley spam to force recharge. 3.0 revived Rain of Death making it much more useful, but didn't really change it's circumstances. 3.0 did add more attack abilities but locked them behind a stance and also added a support song. No mistake, the role of Bard is clear, only way you can't see it is if you don't want to.

[Cirgellon]

I'm still finding it funny that so many cry about a thread being here as they continually bump the thread. Talk about uneducated five year olds... lol

These comaints aren't going to end any time soon. Some are claiming that it isn't a big change when bards now do even less dps if they have to move, can't use ogcd skills nearly as much, or skip all new skills while everyone else gets a new kit. Again, people didn't choose this class because the6 wanted to play a completely different class. Can anyone explain how bards were so broken that they needed the basics of the class comlletely changed? These WM changes affect everything. Did any other clas have this drastic of a change to play style?

[Eisen-Zorn]

I started out as a SMN, but changed to BRD at 50 because I actually liked having range without casting regardless of DPS. However, the new actions actually just seem boring. Also, WM isn't a bad stance, but just offers too little of a reward for the lack of mobility.

So, now I'm a DRK who's story is stalled at a level 56 quest because I'm just kind of tired of playing BRD. Both SMN and BRD have both been classes that have become rather stagnate with each update. I wanted to play as MCH, but it seems that SE made it as bad as BRD right now. Here's to hoping that DRK doesn't get retooled to the point where it's stagnated as well.

[Gilraen]

The thing about Minuet is likely to appease the much older cry for Ranger. Ever since Bard was introduced, back when it's role as Support was accepted and not so 'controversial', people wondered when we'd be getting Ranger. Square said nothing about the possibility but it didn't stop the speculation. Or the prospect of gunner/Corsair for that matter. You know, a ranged DD that's just a DD. None of the above happened, obviously, but it hasn't stopped people from asking for a pure ranged DD. So, instead, we got Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel. It's a jury-rigged solution but a solution all the same. Honestly, I'd still rather just have a dedicated class/Job than this but it's better than nothing.

[RiceisNice]

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Could machinist have not filled that role then, and leave BRD the way it is? The other half of the problem that stems from WM is that it doesn't mesh well with BRD's 2.0 moveset or playstyle. It's absolutely infuriating to see straighter shot procs during my straight shot cast, and my bloodletters resetting itself midcast, twice. And bard dps is more-or-less balanced around using. They're not really doing more damage persay, as they are doing relatively the same dps as they were in 2.0 compared to other classes.

On top of that, MCH and BRD both have the same gameplay concept because of WM/GB and the balancing around it... it's jsut MCH functions better with GB because their moveset/animations are designed with it in mind.

[Catwho]

Could machinist have not filled that role then, and leave BRD the way it is? The other half of the problem that stems from WM is that it doesn't mesh well with BRD's 2.0 moveset or playstyle. It's absolutely infuriating to see straighter shot procs during my straight shot cast, and my bloodletters resetting itself midcast, twice. And bard dps is more-or-less balanced around using. They're not really doing more damage persay, as they are doing relatively the same dps as they were in 2.0 compared to other classes.

On top of that, MCH and BRD both have the same gameplay concept because of WM/GB and the balancing around it... it's jsut MCH functions better with GB because their moveset/animations are designed with it in mind.

I'll agree that they need to tune the proc recasts some. If they are going to proc, they need to do so at the end of the next GCD tick, not during the current one. I never saw this problem on black mage, but Thunder isn't used as a standalone DPS spell either.

[Wavaryen]

I have talked to very few people who enjoyed the new bard. Many long time bards said they retired. Whoever gave them this feedback, and told them it was a good idea, makes me sad.

I am sticking with bard, but will never use it.

[Kiara1]

WEll... people are gonna continue making threads about it until they fix it.
I hate using gauss barel as machinist.
I main casters so I'd like to play another job, but it kinda feels like im playing another caster.

[Rekujin]

WE ALL KNOW.

This is not the first time it's been mentioned. It's not even the tenth. Please, just give it a rest. It's been noted by everyone here, Yoshida, hell even Hydealyn probably is looking into it.

Please no more threads about this.

But is he? there was no legit mention of the "cast bar" style they have implemented on BRD during the live letter... it seems this is it, we're stuck with it.. and quite frankly that's enough for a lot of BRD's to reroll.

[QiLymePye]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the new BRD skills. All these stupid claims of "I don't want to play a BLM" are ridiculous. It's 1.5s of having to stand still. And in exchange we get 30% damage boost. Perfectly fair/balanced. Does it change the playstyle? Not really... not unless you were one of those annoying, bunny hopping BRDs that ran around for absolutely no reason. And technically those BRDs can still do that... they just can't take advantage of the new skills.

You also can't tell someone they can't complain because in your opinion, its ok. It's not a soapbox. Its voicing your opinion. He has the right to just like you felt you had the right to come into his thread which you already knew what the subject matter was about and apparently hate to see to comment about why you hate to see it. Sounds like you wanted a soapbox instead my friend.