I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Gallus]

BRDs have been and I swear they currently are the most mandatory class in every piece of serious content...yet they are the ones who complain more.

DRGs was useless for months, BLMs were subpar for a long period of time. WARs tanked less than a BRD under blood for blood at the beginning of the 2.0. SMNs drained their mana with a couple Ruin II.

BRDs have never had to go through stuff such as "no BRDs" in PF parties and the like. They were insultingly op at i90 and ridiculously strong at i110-i135. And now, they are still mandatory (wanna bet something first savage clears have a BRD?).

[Reneo]

Exactly. Give them a skill that hands them a boost of dps even slightly, complain. They seem to want to be up par with Black mage dps. Then they complain about standing still and doing more damage, *cough* black mage*cough*.

They need to understand that their mobility comes with the price of damage.

>.>

[Lewtskie]

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Indeed, they should just shut up and be happy, even if they don't enjoy their new playstyle because they get to be dragged into raids purely for the class mechanics they aren't having issues with.

This is just another way of saying Bards should only exist to be Jukeboxes.

Hey, it even gets better now since we have a new song that entirely useless everywhere BUT in raids. Guess that just further nails in the point that songs are all that matter, eh?

[Gallus]

Indeed, they should just shut up and be happy, even if they don't enjoy their new playstyle because they get to be dragged into raids purely for the class mechanics they aren't having issues with.

This is just another way of saying Bards should only exist to be Jukeboxes.

Hey, it even gets better now since we have a new song that entirely useless everywhere BUT in raids. Guess that just further nails in the point that songs are all that matter, eh?

Problem is fun falls into the subjective category. My SCH too has changed in 3.0. Fairy scaling is pretty bull now, and SCH is like 90% of the heals now while fairy is only like the 10% (fairy was more relevant in ARR). We could argue about how that kills the essence of SCH since the fairy has been triviallized a lot...or SMNs;...same story, most of the damage comes from the SMN now, pet's damage is very little compared to ARR, also, SMN rotation has drastically changed. I don't see however, any SMNs or SCHs complaining...

[Cirgellon]

I don't see however, any SMNs or SCHs complaining...

A rotation change isn't even close to a full playstyle change. Bards went from mobile to stationary. They can't use ogcd skills the same. They have cast times on all of their gcd skills, which means the functionality of almost every single skill was changed. There is very little about the bard that didn't change. Almost every skill changed along with the overall way the class plays.

Or we can skip WM and be even further behind in damage than we were before as everyone else got a new bag of tricks and we got nothing(without WM).

As I said in another thread, I wasn't under the impression that bard was so broken that it needed a complete rework. Having to redo your rotation due to new skills would be expected...

[the-kuponut]

Problem is fun falls into the subjective category. My SCH too has changed in 3.0. Fairy scaling is pretty bull now, and SCH is like 90% of the heals now while fairy is only like the 10% (fairy was more relevant in ARR). We could argue about how that kills the essence of SCH since the fairy has been triviallized a lot...or SMNs;...same story, most of the damage comes from the SMN now, pet's damage is very little compared to ARR, also, SMN rotation has drastically changed. I don't see however, any SMNs or SCHs complaining...

The way you play SMN or SCH is still the same
Turning BRD into a mage is the same as turning SMN into melee

It's like instead of the new SMN abilities you get this:

"New SMN ability ! You can now only dps from close range and you can't use ruin or stack aether flow but hey you can use these two new abilities*

*two new abilities can't be used when not in melee stance"

[Warlyx]

The way you play SMN or SCH is still the same
Turning BRD into a mage is the same as turning SMN into melee

It's like instead of the new SMN abilities you get this:

"New SMN ability ! You can now only dps from close range and you can't use ruin or stack aether flow but hey you can use these two new abilities*

*two new abilities can't be used when not in melee stance"

BEASTMASTER ....is that u? *_*

[SendohJin]

Problem is fun falls into the subjective category. My SCH too has changed in 3.0. Fairy scaling is pretty bull now, and SCH is like 90% of the heals now while fairy is only like the 10% (fairy was more relevant in ARR). We could argue about how that kills the essence of SCH since the fairy has been triviallized a lot...or SMNs;...same story, most of the damage comes from the SMN now, pet's damage is very little compared to ARR, also, SMN rotation has drastically changed. I don't see however, any SMNs or SCHs complaining...

the only thing that changed about SCH playstyle is that we can't Lustrate in Cleric Stance, and that is annoying. everything changed about BRD in WM.

to compensate for the change to Lustrate SCH got an awesome AOE Cure, a better offensive spell in Broil, and Selene got a massive buff with an AOE Esuna. BRDs got other things they can do in WM and a song that's useless.

[Rikkustrife]

BRDs have been and I swear they currently are the most mandatory class in every piece of serious content...yet they are the ones who complain more.

DRGs was useless for months, BLMs were subpar for a long period of time.

Dragoons and black mages were always fun to play though

Though I do agree the complaining is getting annoying, at least the complaints are valid.

[Mintyfresh]

BRDs have been and I swear they currently are the most mandatory class in every piece of serious content...yet they are the ones who complain more.

DRGs was useless for months, BLMs were subpar for a long period of time. WARs tanked less than a BRD under blood for blood at the beginning of the 2.0. SMNs drained their mana with a couple Ruin II.

BRDs have never had to go through stuff such as "no BRDs" in PF parties and the like. They were insultingly op at i90 and ridiculously strong at i110-i135. And now, they are still mandatory (wanna bet something first savage clears have a BRD?).

That just makes you sound bitter, salty and petty.
Probably not a good position to be in when trying to engage in a discussion because your input will hold no merit or demand any respect.

Cheers-
Axe